Sannino's reign as Watford's head coach in serious doubt [Wobby]

I thought it was only cats that buried their Sh1te. That's one very clean dog.

 

I'm not sure why you're having a go at the Wobby. They are probing the situation and there's no smoke with out fire....and there's alot of smoke at the moment.

I would prefer they did this as even the most ardent Beppe fan would have to admit there has been an issue for some time.

Personally, I applaud the Wobby for confronting head on, I'd rather someone ask the hard questions to find out what's going on at my club rather than put my fingers in my ears and shout "La la la la la la la not listening...everything's fine"

If the players are primadonnas, then it's part of modern football...we have to deal with it...however if you want good players at your club then you have to put up with egos and manage them. Sounds to me as if Beppe has NO man management skills...you can't treat everyone the same way, you have to know who will respond to a rollicking and who needs an arm around them.

I certainly am not convinced by Beppe, and even my uncle in Italy who is a football fanatic said to me "Why did you waste your time on Sannino?"

 

Trouble is, all we can do is speculate. We can't learn anything new unless someone ITK (YK...) says otherwise.

The sooner this matter is dealt with the better.

 

Hoorah! Plenty of us called for his head towards the end of last season, if not earlier - the team we have is good enough to go up this year and I don't want an inexperienced manager ruining this for us.

Deeney as captain could quite easily have Beppe removed I'd of thought.... Pozzo's don't want to go losing their number 1 asset and get a cut price if he tries to force a move through.

 

But we dont know how bad that relationship really is. No one on here knows, at the moment its all speculation.

Ferguson, especially in his early days, was reknowned for shouting at players.

Imagine if it was leaked that Sannino had thrown a boot at Dyers head, this forum would be in complete meltdown with the Wobby whipping everyone into a frenzy.
However , the same incident didnt do Man Utd, Ferguson or Beckhams career any harm. Im sure Ferguson and many other successful managers have done worse than boot throwing, we just dont hear about it, because social media and player/agent power is relatively new phenemenon.

 

I'd imagine the earliest we'd get rid is the international break. The Leeds game will have a very strange atmosphere.

 

Agreed. Too much speculation going on.

As for ITK er s. I know several peeps working at the club, and in my experience the ones high enough to have inside info are too professional to ever leak anything and the ones that are just staffers know no more than the rest of us do.

 

Emanuele Giulianelli @EmaGiulianelli · 14m

#Watford: don't worry, no risk for Sannino. #WFC

 

I'm not questioning that there is some sort of problem. There is.

Frank Smith has all but predicted it will result in Beppe leaving. If that happens then great. If it doesn't he is going to look like a d*ck.

I don't know if Beppe will be sacked, you don't know, and FS sure as heck doesn't know (unless Gino has told him). He is making 4 from 2+x.

Put it this way, do you think the Pozzo's were not aware of Beppe's coaching style before they employed him?

Why do you think the Pozzo's stuck with Beppe through the summer despite the apparent player revolt at the Huddersfield game?

Do you think the Pozzo's are the sort of owners to let players push them around?

Journalists should deal in facts otherwise the wobbly just becomes so much toilet paper.

 

Others on here will have knowledge on these two & their reliability with regards to WFC but just sharing this Twitter chat between them..



(edit: Sorry simms - didn't see you'd posted)

 

So whos grave is the dog digging?

 

To be fair, the club is hardly gonna tell Sannino he's going to be sacked are they? So how would he know?

 

No worries, I didn't see the bit about him asking someone close to sannino.

 

Isn't he the Italian journo that said Vydra wouldn't be coming back this season?

 

To me it comes down to whether the team feel he is (to all intents and purposes) a workplace bully. I've been the victim of one and to say you need to just keep your head down and put up with it is easier said than done. It destroys your confidence and makes you dread going to work.

Results are ok at the moment, but what happens when they have a real test (like Norwich) - the lack of desire to perform for the manager due to your unhappiness means its hard to really perform when they need to raise their game and that will be the difference between us challenging and another season of mid-table obscurity.

 

He claims to be close to the Pozzo's. Who knows who knows what these days!

 

Not entirely accurate.

 

I really cant express how disappointed I feel about the whole thing tbh and irrespective of whose actually at fault, no ones coming out of this with much credit weather its the players, beppe, the club or the wobby. We had made a good start to the season, winning 3 out of 4 and until this mess hit things where looking fairly promising.

I do think the club have made a rod for their own back. There was issues with the squad last season (not just when Beppe was in charge) and inparticular before the Huddersfield game with the alleged players revolt. Yet those responsible within the playing staff are still here. There was a clear division between head coach and playing staff then and it was seemingly never addressed. And if Miked's post about player behavour during the Huddersfield game is true (and i really hope it isnt) then theres a clear lack of professionalism & understanding that its the fans who paid their hard earned to watch that half hearted dross that suffered most- and quite frankly those players responsible can do one.

I also think the club havent helped themselves in their player recruitment. The large size of the squad has been an issue before and while without doubt the squad was strengthened during the preseason we seem to have taken on an awful lot of new players with the understanding they would be first team regulars. When the same players get rotated in & out of the matchday squad seemingly at random with no explination its not too hard to see why they might be abit narked. After nearly 3 years we still seem to recruit in a a slightly kids in a sweetshop manor, not helped by Nani's obsession with midfielders.

I would imagine the whole reason that Beppe was brought in was becasue of his harder nature after Zola's softly softly approach failed to work. But being aggresively passionate is one thing, openly humilating players on the training ground is quite another. If that has happened then I cant see how Beppe can keep his job, its frankly appalling behaviour and something I wouldn't want associated with this club. There does seem to be perfectly valid questions over his man management skills.

As for the Wobby, well the only issue i have with that article is the way its presented. They ask perfectly valid questions but the head line is very sensationalist in regards to whats actually written in the article. Theres nothing in that article to suggest that Beppe is in danger of loosing his job, just that he had a falling out with some unnamed players. Since it doesnt go into explict details it could well be talking events around from the huddersfield game. I do tend to agree with the view that theres some stiring to sell papers going on.

 

Who's that?

 

He was a journalist who was pretty accurate during the takeover and first summer's transfer window.

 

Cool.

 

It's no different to the David Moyes situation at Manure, ok granted the headline is a little dramatic.

I personally think the Pozzos needed someone available immediately, and went by reputation based on his past with Varese. However, historically they've never worked together.

If Ekstrand and Ranegie so publicly revolted at the end of last season, why are they still here? I believe Gino is trying to mediate as he sees the value of having them and Beppe here, otherwise either of them would have been shipped out.

A big part of this though is if the players are in revolt, then getting replacement players is going to be difficult as they talk to other each within the sisterhood and won't want to come here if they know the manager is unpopular.

I think Gino is very astute and will do what's best for the club.

As for sticking to facts, I agree however if Smudger has spoken to players and knows of the unrest then investigative journalism takes over and has to be addressed. What concerns me is the responses were volatile and he said alot of 'I' suggesting it's all about him and his ego.

So what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

Just my two penneth...

 

'Someone close to Sannino' isn't going to know. He needed to have spoken to 'someone close to the Pozzos'.

 

Since when has a journalist stuck to the facts!

 

Fitz the Mozzo Poodle.

 

Having read that, he seems like a right ****.

 

The 2 questions which need to be kept separate:

1. Do we think Beppe should be sacked? Everyone will have an opinion and we can have a long and interesting discussion on this.

2. Does the wobbly know for a fact (by speaking to one of the few people who will know - Gino, Giampalo or Scott...) that Beppe will be sacked? I don't think they do. Therefore should FS be writing sensationalist headlines?

 

From what I gathered from the article, he has a hardline stance with players; no bs allowed. He admits he's a d***head as part of this stance.

 

Herein lies the issue, I think FS knows more than he can publish - if he does then he faces censure from the club.

 

Yea hes got a hard line stance alright and no BS, that's why he lets the chief exec do all his shopping, its embaressing. Its like being an adult and letting yer mum still do all yer shopping. Its farcical at best, complete shyte at worst.

 

Missed the point by some margin, your post does not relate to how he man manages, that was just an unwarranted swipe at an irrelevant issue in this thread.

 

You what ?? He doesn't manage, he coaches......doesn't he ?? If he doesn't what does he actually do ??

 

AFAIK He's employed to oversee how the players train and devise tactics for each game, which incldues selcted the players in question. You'd probably be right in sayng he manages coaches as well.

 

How about managing players as well, or is that too simple an idea........

 

We have assembled the best squad of players I have seen at Watford in decades, and my concern is the same as it always was with regard to Sannino: he is not good enough, experienced enough, respected enough, or tactically aware enough to knit it all together. I always thought it would end in tears, but I always have, and still do, trust the Pozzo family to get it right.

This may be a storm in a tea cup, and if it blows over, then fine. Carry on regardless..

If it doesn't, or is not likely to, then I want a competent manager to be installed as soon as humanly possible.

Bring on the Leeds, let's have it!!

In Pozzo I trust..

LBH