Riot in Tottenham

Turn to BBC news.

There's 2 police cars and a bus on fire, and several buildings I think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14434318

Also some looting and smashing of shop windows.

All due to a protest about a man being shot by armed police.

 

Not sure if anybody is watching, but did you see that hasidic Jew laughing and almost tripping over running away from the police horses charging?

 

This will run through the night... They're pushing further and further down the road but the crowds won't go. I know people who live round there and sounds like some seriously scary stuff sometimes.

 

I used to live at the Wood Green end of WHL, and the overspill from Tottenham was pure human detritus.

Police should just pull out, call in an air strike and napalm all the way to Edmonton.

 

I agree. I was about to post something ridiculously racist but luckily thought better of it.

Parts of the place, as everyone knows, are ***tholes. My mate is a Spurs season ticket holder and he says the surrounding area is just horrific.

 

Let's be honest there are about 300 people involved in this. That's not the whole of Tottenham. There's no use in stereotyping and saying stuff like that because this isnt the whole of Tottenham, this is a large group of complete tools.

 

Where are their kettles now?

 

Be racist, homophobic and as offensive as you can be...but please don't be sexist.

 

Been watching this on Sky News all morning. When the hell are the police going to be given the powers to actually do their job and sort these situations out?

Over the last 2 years we've seen a dramatic increase in these situations and I truely beleive that it is largely to do with the fact the police aren't allowed to use just force to sort it out.

Give them the water cannons or riot grenades needed to drop these ******s and a shovel and dustbin to scoop them up with. Then see how big they really are!

****heads!

 

There are a few clips been released overnight. One of a man with a trolley full of looted goods, brazenly walking down the road, not a care in the world.

Apparently, there were reports that people had invaded Mcdonalds and started cooking their own food, but that was only on twitter so not 100% sure just yet.

 

Rioters have rights as well you know, if they get hurt they just blame police brutality.

 

Tottenham has been set on fire!
Police suspect Arsene.

 

Yeh, but I've lived there and it's not 'horrific'. So take my word for it and not KD's glory hunting mate.

 

:forehead::forehead::forehead: but clever though!!!

 

Of all of the stores they chose to loot and set on fire... CarpetRight was one of them. :doh:

 

Animals

 

Seems like it is an excuse but they're rioting over a guy who seemingly had a gun on HIM whilst in a minicab?! This isn't some innocent person accidentally shot by police, he was obviously a ******.

 

Agreed:sign15:

I actually hope that the old bill give the waste of space , chip on shoulder, state draining scum a good hiding if they start again.

 

I think the harder the better.

Police need to start being brutal earlier in situations, rather then waiting to ease the situation.

Give 'em a good hiding early on with the truncheons and then disperse with water cannons, which are also useful for putting out any petrol bombs thrown at police.

 

Moose, I don't know what you're used to, but it is horrific. Parts of Tottenham make Luton look like Midsomer.

 

People are killed all the time in Midsomer but there's never any police brutality. The Met should bring in DCI Barnaby to sort it all out over a cup of tea.

 

Anybody who has a gun in this country should be in prison, with the exception of farmers.

If you are caught with a gun in a town or city you should be shot on sight.

The man shot a policeman, who would have died had his radio not got in the way. The man was inches away from being a murderer. He has a gun, in the middle of London. You only have a gun in towns and cities for offensive use. He is clearly not fit to be part of society, and certainly isn't a useful member of society.

Guns have no place in this country. When I am elected as President of Ingerland, I promise to shoot everyone who has a gun.

 

It may be a little too early to come to conclusions about what actually happened.

 

My cousin owns one of the flats that was burnt down, and another cousin lives in the building next to it, she has told us what happened.

The bloke had a gun, the police told him twice that they would shoot if he didn't put the gun down, he kept threatening, so they shot him. And the policeman was shot.

Simple as that. That there is even a protest at all is incredible. As for all these other riotous ******s, string them all up. Not fit to be in a civilised place, they should go into the wild and eat raw animals if they want to behave like that.

 

I agree however the few facts we do know are that a non-police issue handgun was found at the scene and that a police officer was hospitalised and that he had a bullet lodged in his radio. We also know that Mark Duggan was shot with a H&K MP5. That's not the kind of firearm you can conceal so I imagine the minicab he was stopped in was the subject of a planned operation. Even people who claim to know him are being quoted making cryptic remarks like "he was into things" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14434318). I can't imagine they're referring to stamp collecting...

Unfortunately a lot of the community who want 'justice' for Duggan actually want to be left to do as they wish without any kind of police contact. They don't trust the police so want to sort things out their own way. And if that includes them arming themselves with knives and firearms and dealing drugs they seem to see no problem with that even though it's clearly in the wider public interest that they're stopped. There may well be complaints about the way the police go about running Op Trident - I've not read about it in any detail - but in no decent way of looking at things can riot be the appropriate response.

And finally, although now might be too early to come to any conclusions it would be nice to think the IPCC could actually deal with this issue in good time. A plane crashes and an interim report detailing a rough version of events and known facts is out within 8 weeks. A person dies after police contact and the IPCC probably publish the report around 18 months later.

 

Which bits? Name them or STFU.

Otherwise you are making out like it's some kind of hinterland too dangerous for ordinary folk to dwell in, whereas mostly it's quite dull, ordinary housing full of (currently disquieted) families.

 

Broadwater Farm anyone?

I would wind my windows up once I got halfway down Lordship Lane, heading East.

 

Hmmnn - one area you almost certainly don't know and wouldn't have reason to visit and another that is just a main road.

I wouldn't choose to live there, but then I don't choose to live in Watford, or Chorleywood either.

 

Reports coming in by the MP for Enfield, there has been a disturbance in the high street, and there are photos of HMV being looted, and police cars smashed.

 

There are 3 separate events here and it doesn't help to mix them up into one.

1. The shooting - I agree with UEA that the problem is the IPCC will take too long to investigate and will issue a report that will make 2 paragraphs on page 6 sometime near the end of 2012.

2. The protest -- the local community were alarmed by the shooting and wanted some reassurances. The protest was peaceful. What should have happened next is something like the police agree to meet 3 or 4 community representatives to discuss their concerns, not

3. a riot involving arson, looting and total lawlessness which is deplorable.

 

Yep it's too early. No one widely is going to weep for a gun carrying 'player', if this is what he turns out to have been but we don't allow extra-judicial murder in this country, so the facts need to be known and it established if the rules of engagement were followed.

The Stockwell shooting is the standard reference for considering police 'sources' in these incidents. In the first few days after that incident we all knew the 'facts' that the deceased had high hurdled the tube barrier and refused to stop for police.

In fact he had been shot seven times in the face without warning, thereby qualifying whoever dreamt up the initial stories for some kind of creative writing prize.

I'm not in this seeking to justify a riot that threatens life and property btw, but you can see the incidents from many lenses, including those of the Police and that of a community that fears that it's lives can be taken cheaply.