(19) Vakoun Issouf Bayo

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by Hogg-DEENEY!!!, Aug 8, 2022.

  1. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Very decent! Steady on.
     
  2. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I mean, we've seen him for 10 games now, he's not a Vydra level finisher, but he gets into good areas and already has 3 goals, I'd say that's very decent going!
     
  3. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    I think he is more impactful as a sub, of which 2 of his goals have come, when he has started games he is notable by his absence on the pitch over 90 minutes
     
    RS2 likes this.
  4. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    He could be our long awaited "Fox in the Box" ;)
     
    Hogg-DEENEY!!! likes this.
  5. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    For sure, the bench is where he's going to start most of his games, but when we settle down a bit, whether he starts or comes off the bench, he'll be an asset with his ability to get into good positions!
     
  6. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    The amount of stick he got in his first few games was disgraceful in all honesty! I get he's a Bayat client, I know we all think Bayat is dodgy etc etc, but he's done ok so far. £5m doesn't go a long way these days, so his goal return thus far in the minutes he's played has been respectable.
     
  7. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    He’s played the equivalent of 5 1/2 games and scored 3 - so better than 1 in 2. The collective wisdom on the forum was that Bayo was a £1m player!His link /overall play isn’t great, and hopefully will improve. But if he continues his goal output, then £5m is a bargain
     
  8. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    £5m for a player that is useless apart from 10 minute spells off the bench. Keep these deals coming Mogi!
     
  9. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Nothing worse than players that can only change the game if they're brought on as sub
     
  10. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    We spent over £30m on a winger who more or less fits that bill!
     
  11. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    He turns 26 in a couple of months, I'm not sure on what basis we'd be expecting this to occur.
     
  12. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Was reading a book I got for xmas last night and Bayo randomly popped up in it. Might be interesting for some:

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    Chumlax and Teide1 like this.
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Bit like Davis ?

    Might do some good things but isn’t going to get a lot of goals or chances ?

    Not ideal for a striker - who cost a lot of money .
     
  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Point of order, people are/were saying Bayo is only a £1m player because that is literally what Charleroi paid for him at the end of the 21/22 season (and hence he played no more football to increase his value by 500%), before flogging him to us for £5m a month or so later.
     
  15. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Was that not a pre-arranged buy option that Charleroi used? If so, that's what his value was in the January of that season, when he signed for them on loan. He then went on to score 11 goals in 17 games, hence his value went up. Not that 11 goals in Belgium mean he's worth £5m, but a bit of context needed.
     
  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Indeed - but people are probably using the £1m to emphasize the point of what a poor signing it has been.

    The poster who generally blames entitled fans for our problems, posted the below on this very thread - amazing! Talk about jumping to conclusions on a small sample size. How those posters who questioned the Bayo signing have been proved wrong just as they have about Kalu. Bargains the pair, and nothing to do with sorting out the Bayats.

    "He’s played the equivalent of 5 1/2 games and scored 3 - so better than 1 in 2. The collective wisdom on the forum was that Bayo was a £1m player!His link /overall play isn’t great, and hopefully will improve. But if he continues his goal output, then £5m is a bargain"
     
  17. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    That was in October when he at least seemed to get on the pitch for a period of time .

    Now doesn’t get that now very often .

    Bilic obviously doesn’t think much of him .
     
  18. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yes it was - but the point was a couple of sub appearance goals wasn't enough to start claiming the signing may be a bargain and crowing about the "collective wisdom of the forum". And yes - Bilic clearly thinks he is poor.
     
    wfc4ever likes this.
  19. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    What he did at Charleroi whilst on loan was no more impressive than what he did at Streda and Tolouse to earn him two transfers that valued him at no more than £2m each time. Whichever way you slice it for a team who had never spent a penny on players under Gino whilst a Championship club, £5m was way, way over the odds for a substitute striker who now doesn’t even get on the pitch.
     
    Jumbolina likes this.
  20. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    They are, but it's an irrelevance. He was valued at £1m, had a really good run of form, and was then valued higher by a team who had just signed him on a long contract.

    Pretty clear it looks like we overpaid, but I would be interested to see what would have happened if he came in and was used as the main man, starting every week. His link up play is significantly worse than Davis', but if he'd started every game this season I think he'd be pushing towards double figures, in which case the fee would look a little more reasonable. I think the team would suffer, but it would be nice to have more of a poacher/finisher in the box. Looks okay in the air too, and it's currently pointless crossing the ball to Davis.
     
  21. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    The fact that both Edwards and Bilic have brought on Manaj ahead of him should tell us everything.
     
    Carpster likes this.
  22. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    You can just say you didn't know about the buy clause Charleroi used and that you made a mistake, it's fine!

    10 goals in 16 games in Slovakia.
    10 goals in 31 games in Ligue 1.
    11 goals in 16 games in Belgium.

    Have a think about the respective levels of the leagues he's scored in. The record in Belgium is comfortably more impressive, but again not worthy of £5m, especially for a Championship club with a lik

    "Whichever way you slice it for a team who had never spent a penny on players under Gino whilst a Championship club, £5m was way, way over the odds for a substitute striker who now doesn’t even get on the pitch."

    Well, duh!
     
  23. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Fair - but wasn't he shocking in the air? I seem to remember some really poor headed efforts from decent chances in the games he has played.

    I also think it's inconceivable we would have paid £5m if the Bayats weren't involved (or indeed even looked at the player). I'd argue whether they extracted an extra £1m or extra £3m is also an irrelevance. It's the fact it happens at all. The Pozzo relationship with that agent is a disgrace.
     
  24. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I think he's been okay aerially, from the very few decent crosses he's had to attack. Couple of shanked (can you shank a header?) ones though.

    Yep it looks likely this will be one of Mogi's duds rather than a Mogi Money Maker. Hopefully Manga's arrival means we'll rely less on his network in future.
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Edwards personally vouched for Bayo didn’t he? What a noob error to make!
     
    RS2 likes this.
  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    But Edwards is apparently a brilliant manager. He’s won 3 games with Luton after all.
     
  27. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Better than Bilic.
     
  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    That would make him one of the top scorers in the division so far? Genuinely, do you really think that?
     
  29. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    It’s just the new manager bounce isn’t it? From a team who didn’t need a bounce as their manager was poached for over performance.
     
    RS2 likes this.
  30. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I agree that it's also inconceivable we would have paid £5m if the Bayats weren't involved - but it's also why I still think some of the fees we've paid for Bayat players must be red herrings to a degree.

    As with the obviously nonsense fee Udinese gave us for Kamara, I wouldn't be surprised if the Pozzos have used fees given to the Bayats as a way to shuffle/funnel money elsewhere (in the case of the Bayats seemingly as an efficient way for the Pozzos to move some of their money to Luxembourg). The inflated fees are just ways to facilitate the money transfer.
     
    Jumbolina and Carpster like this.
  31. Manaj is clearly a £10m player.
     
    Hogg-DEENEY!!! and RS2 like this.
  32. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    I think it at Birmingham he had a few chances to score and v Preston too although Manaj made a hash of things too in that game .
     
  33. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Based on his knack of being in the right place at the right time, and his current minutes per goal rate, I don't see why he couldn't have 7-10 goals from 25 starts?
     
  34. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Part of the 'new manager bounce' is players putting in an extra 10% to impress the new boss and keep/gain a place in the team. Not saying that's the case here, but definitely a possibility.
     
  35. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Well I guess in the battle of the new managers v QPR they got the “bounce “

    But it’s not like the one West Brom and Middlesbrough have had .
     

Share This Page