Suarez.

Save your breath mate ... she may need a little more air tonight

 

And a comprehensive investigation into the incident.

 

And was then charged 'On the basis of probability'

 

What probability did they need?

Suarez himself admitted he used the word negro in an argument on a football pitch, he has no defence, he admitted to breaking the FA rule of including references to race/nationality/sexuality etc. on a football field, he hasnt got a leg to stand on.

 

TheDon; are you a Liverpool fan?

That is the only explanation I can find for your continual support of them on a number of issues in the past as well as this one and your refusal to accept that Suarez, Dalglish and Liverpool are in the wrong despite clear evidence.

 

He didn't admit the charge, nor did he admit to using the word negro in a racially offensive way.

So it was based on probability.

"It is for the FA to satisfy us on the balance of probability that Mr Suarez breached the Rules." From the FA inquiry.

It is standard procedure to base the findings on probability.

 

He does have a defence though?

Didn't Evra also make reference to the fact Suarez was South American? Why wasn't he charged? The Ferguson Association are ****ing rubbish.

Suarez acted childishly and didn't help the situation by not shaking his hand. In my opinion, Evra has retracted his hand to try and get Suarez to miss it and make something of it, I think Dalglish got wound up by the journalist and tbh, I think I would have too, all day everyone was like 'We don't want to have to talk about this' then go on to talk about it anyway. The Media have made it 10x worse than it is.

Have you seen United's response to the Liverpool apology? Accepted it but they haven't apologised for causing a brawl in the tunnel at half time have they? Has Evra apologised for purposely winding Suarez up at the end.

If I were SAF or Dalglish I'd get both the players, sit them down, sort everything out, have a press conference so they could end all this *******s. It's ****ing embarassing

 

Suarez admitted to calling Evra a negro on a football pitch, that is a ban in itself

On top of this the FA took into consideration the fact that he made the comment in the midst of an argument and the testimony of Kuyt and Commoli who both agreed with Evra's allegation that Suarez said "I kicked you because you are black... I dont talk to blacks".

 

He admitted to saying "Porque tu eres negro"

 

erm... exactly

He admitted to calling a black player 'negro' on a football field, that is a ban in itself

 

Theres a difference between calling a player a negro, and using a spanish word with ambiguous conotations, which experts later agree has racial conotations.
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It doesnt matter what the context is, he called a black player a negro on a football field, that is a clear breach of FA rules and he was rightly banned for it

 

Poor misunderstood Luis

 

It's like banging your head against a brick wall with these two closet Scousers.

Don; as for saying that Evra retracted his hand; his hand was out! It is Suarez's place to shake the hand of someone he has racially abused; not the racially abused one. Suarez didn't even look at Evra meaning that even if Evra had not offered the hand shake is irrelevant; Suarez never intended to shake his hand whilst Evra did. These sort of half-baked conspiracy theories really **** me off; they're engineered by pathetic, desperate Liverpool fans with collective victim complexes and shame on you for being gullible enough to be fooled by them.

Dalglish got angry because Shreeves told him how it was and had the gall to go someway in telling him how despicably he, Liverpool and Suarez have acted throughout, unlike most of the Liverpool supporting media made up of ex-players who are too sh*t scared to say anything.

What happened in the tunnel is complete speculation; why should Evra apoligise when anything could have happened? We all got the jist of what St Suarez was saying to Valencia, what he was suggesting by wiping his shirt after Valencia touched him and how he kicked the ball into the Man Utd technical area at half time. And why should Evra apoligise for celebrating and letting out pent up emotion and relief in front of his own fans at the end? Or doesn't Suarez like black people coming within five metres of him?

 

I agree with the last part but to ignore context entirely is silly. But in this case it was proved the context was racist, and he was rightly banned.

 

No one in their right mind could argue that Suarez didnt contravene that law ^

In relation to context, its a double edged sword, apparently its a term of endearment in Uruguay (yes sure...) but even if that is the case what about the rest of the context? e.g. the fact that he said it in the midst of an argument.

If you want to take into consideration the cultural context you cant ignore the fact that the remark was made during a confrontation, taking the context into account certainly doesnt support Suarez's defence

 

Indeed. But to ignore it completely is wrong, even if it is proven that Suarez used it in a racially offensive way.

I fully agree.

 

He's played in Europe for a number of years now. He knows perfectly well that whilst 'negro' may be socially acceptable in Uruguay, it is not in Europe. If he, or any other player (no matter what country they are from, have played in etc.) does it again then they should get an equally long ban.

 

Yes, totally.

 

No idea why you're bringing up this, he was annoyed because he thought Ferdinand should have been sent off, debatable yes, but he felt he was fouled (cue saying he was diving is a cheater etc etc) and could easily have been given.

But why did Evra need to do it? He could have just got on with it? He didnt have to run all the way over to where Suarez was did he? He was doing it purposely to wind up Suarez and didn't help anything did it? They both acted like children.

 

Evra was racially abused, vilified and called a liar by one of the biggest football clubs in the world, subsequently booed by 40,000 Liverpool fans, received death threats and was racially abused by Liverpool fans. He then offered a sign of forgiveness and attempted to take the higher ground with the person who caused all of this only to be rejected and humiliated as the world watches on.

I challenge you to say that you wouldn't be outraged if this happened to you and that you wouldn't even confront Suarez like Evra did. Maybe hypothetically you might think that you would take the higher ground etc. but you will never truly know until you are put in such a horrific situation through no fault of your own. If Evra sought revenge by rubbing Suarez's nose in it a bit at the end then the horrible little c**t got off lightly; personally I would make it my mission to make sure that by the end of the 90 minutes he couldn't walk again.

 

Outside a court of law, industrial or employment for example, the bias of probability is the deciding factor.

If you read the whole report you will see that it was the aggressive manor in which he used the word and the number of times he repeated it rather than the word its self.

Should Evra have celebrated in the way he did directly in front of Suarez ? No and SAF came out after the game and said so, it was interesting to see the officials got involved in that but didn't in taking any action about the hitting of the ball at the technical area or the handshake. Perhaps if they had spoken to the two players before so they knew exactly what was going to happen or not, then a lot of this could have been avoided.

Did we make this much fuss when Gary Neville celebrated how he did at Anfield or Gerrard running along the front of the Stretford end punching his chest ?

 

Ha, spot on.

:sign15:

 

Suarez is a dirty, racist piece of shyte. He's got a history of being a c*nt, banned for biting ffs!! His handball at the world cup was deplorable and his theatrics in going to ground so easily are pitiful. Abusing Evra took things to a new level, sheer ignorance for starters thinking it wouldn't be deemed offensive over here.

No apology, no remorse, refusal to accept the fact he was found guilty all contributed to the guy being seen as a complete wa*ker, his attitude stinks and this hasn't been helped by dear old Kenny showing how horribly out of touch with the modern game he is. Those daft t-shirts and his sheer denial of any wrongdoing appeared to whip the scousers into some sort of anti FA/Evra frenzy resulting in the horrible scenes against Oldham and the poor lad reduced to tears in what was probably the biggest game of his career.

Yes Evra probably went a bit too far at the end of the game but it's perfectly understandable given what he's been through and the way he's handled himself throughout the whole affair. Behaviour Suarez, Daglish and LFC could learn a hell of alot from.

 

this is the problem with being a "role model"

Youngsters watch and copy your actions ( someone will have to embed it )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv46nGqU0vQ&feature=g-logo&context=G26c0478FOAAAAAAAAAA

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That is tragic and I hope all involved saw this and are ashamed of their behaviour.

 

There has been a history of horrible, horrible people coming to play their football in England and some truly outrageous behaviour has gone on. For Suarez to be considered scum by every football fan going, including I would imagine a good percentage of Liverpool fans who normally seem quite fair minded, is some achievment. I've never known a player be hated so much, even John Terry despite being the utter thundercnut that he is. It's incredible and LFC are on a PR hiding to nothing for as long as they keep him.

 

Chewitt, in all your 12000+ posts this is one of your finest. Bravo.

 

Please post more often.

I can only imagine TheDon is on a wind up - or is a genuine Liverpool fan, because ignorance and blindness on that level, is astounding.

 

Back with a bang :sign13:

Just wait till that c*ckpiece Terry gets found guilty, i've hated him for years.

 

i agree with chewitt. the guy has history, liverpool knew they were signing a liability. more fool them.