Dahlberg Navarro, Wilmot, Cathcart, Masina Chalobah, Quina Sarr, Hughes, Penaranda, Cucho Bachmann Foulquier Dele-Bashiru, Dalby Cassidy Could be interesting in the Championship. The biggest problem would be shifting Deeney, Gray, Prodl, Dawson etc Sell Doucoure asap. Capoue won't want to play in the Championship (I imagine). Delia and Pererya would bring in money.
Confidence has been shot since the cup final and is rock bottom thanks to the mauling last week. QSF has got to put faith in some of the younger players who are actually going to try and not the same old has beens who have let us down week after week.
It's nothing to do with that. I DO NOT want to be proved right, when it's to the detriment to Watford. I don't think he was the right appointment, but am happy to be proved wrong. Nothing I've seen so far though has changed my mind, only reinforced it. We all know how Gino works. There has been no improvement in the performances, apart from the second half against Arsenal. After today, that has to be considered unusual rather than the norm. QFS was brought in to steady the ship and his defensive oraganisation was thought key in the appointment. 3 games has seen us concede 12 goals, which is just ridiculous. I don't see anything in the press conferences to suggest he knows how to turn it around. He just seems to be a continuation of Gracia, who by the end I thought had run out of answers too.
Cleverly is doing his best in the middle of the attacking midfield three, but the spine of this team stops at Doucoure and Capoue... of whom I think one should give way for Quina. Flame me if you like, but nothing is going to get better until Troy is available. He might not be spectacular, but we badly miss him when he's out. We're still looking at the full backs for width, which means our defenders are always going to look worse than they really are when we misplace a pass and the turn of play catches them.
Wouldn't mind being so **** defensively if we were good going forward, but we can't do either. Would say it's clear now that Capoue/Doucoure is no longer working. Something has to change
'Dacora' (as the commentator stupidly called him all game) looks well out of form. Probably the worst I've seen him in his time here. He's got that awful running all around the ball thing going on, which is a real sign of a player in awful touch. He's not quite a passenger, as opponents are still scared of him, but when he's like this he'd be the one I'd drop.
Here are the lowlights. We only had two moments of promise by the looks of it, and Wolves just battered us. https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...ford/11822050/wolves-win-keeps-watford-bottom Again, how bad were the goals we conceded. They missed other good chances. Why do we even bothered picking defenders? They are never in position to defend when the opposition attacks.
No flame war needed to begin. We have zero leaders on that pitch and when we play like trash and have toilet confidence, we need a voice. Deeney may be lacking in ability and enjoy waving his arms around like a windmill, but he seems to make his presence known when we ned it. He must be thinking "what the hell..." about now too. It still might not be the answer to get us out of this rot, but it's clearly something that couldn't hurt.
It'll most likely be: Gomes Dawson, Prodl, Britos (re-signed),Holebas Femenia, Cleverly, (free transfer from Udinese) ,Zeegelar, Okaka (re-signed), Deeney Jerome Sinclair our only attacking option from the bench!
31 games to get 38 points... However, take out City x1, Liverpool x 2, Spurs x2, Chelsea x2 that leaves 24 games or equivalent to 1.58 goals per game; last years highest ever finish with 50pts equalled only 1.32 goals per game, so unless we can up our game significantly and consistently maintain it, I'd say that this season is over already and we'll be playing at Kenilworth road next year.
But you mention in every post after the game about the fact you didn’t want Flores. You say there has been no improvement except arsenal but he’s only had 3 games!
Assume goals should say points? We probably need 34 rather than 38 given recent trends. Either way, we're almost certainly going to need a few points from the top teams now. Plus have to win nearly every home game outside of those.
Our patches of good results coincide with Doucoure and Capoue playing splendidly well. When they dropped off last season we started to lose games and conceded. The same this season. We might need to go 3-5-2 to get hold of midfield to stop the rot
Some people on her with very short memories regarding Troy; how much fight did we put up against Brighton?!
I agree. We need 11 wins from 31 games, slightly better than 1 in 3. Say 7 at home plus 4 away wins. It's doable but the wins have to start next week.
Stop exaggerating. I just thought he's not the right appointment. One made only because he was out of a job and it was a punt. The reasons Duxbury gave to have appointed him was baffling. I thought he was not the right man for the occasion. Not someone who would have an instant impact. Had he been appointed in the summer, with a full pre-season, it may have been different. We needed someone who would come in and make an impact. Something different. He seems too similar to Gracia. It's only three games, but has there been clear improvement or an uplift in performances? The team looks beaten before it takes the field. We have no belief and that has to come from the head coach. He has to get them up for the game. I've not seen this so far. You'd expect a new boss would have the players performing at a higher level, a quicker temp, with more intent at the very start of his reign.
Toothless, lack of leadership. No balls or creativity. And luck right now is nowhere to be found. (The cleverly chance that rolled by the wrong side of post) and our og. Two poor teams but we made them look comfortable the stats in that make no difference they allowed us to play sideways and backwards then walked through our defence on a few occasions. If they were playing anyone but us they would of lost today. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
QSF signed on to Shanghai at the end of December. His 'team' came in for the start of the season in March (I can't be arsed to find out if this is the same team as we have here). He resigned at the start of July with the team one point above the relegation zone. He hardly played the same starting line up more than twice. Not doubt his journey will soon continue, along with his team of experts ...
I don’t agree. Short memories at play here - Deeney was a part of those early games this season. He’s just as much a symptom as he is a cure. His leadership when things aren’t going well amounts too not keeping up with play and then digging out his teammates for his own shortcomings. Criticising the defence is perfectly understandable and fair. But the club have been sleepwalking into leadership issues as well. I made a thread about it after the cup final - the club really needed to identify some better leaders this summer. Be they internal, or external in the shape of new signings. Today highlighted for me, that as bad as our defensive abilities are, we have no one who gets around the pitch setting standards. No one who gives a sense of desire or urgency. Our ‘leadership group’ is just the older players - they are no more leaders than the younger ones. Foster, Cathcart, Capoue, Doucoure - all mute and sauntering around as if there’s no problems. Mariappa and Deeney are just as bad. The real worry is if we were to get a proper leader, would the players just ignore him as they seem to now? I suspect they would. The squad is rotten with apathy. There needs to be a wake-up call to EVERYONE at the club. The squad, the owners, the fans. Everyone. Surprisingly the only person I give a free pass to is QSF - he’s been given a rotten opening 3 games given the form we were in. In hindsight, we should have stuck with Gracia for these games or brought Flores in earlier. But QSF has changed formations, he’s made subs when it’s not working and he’s got round to dropping the worst offenders. Looking back, the mindset from the owners clearly changed this summer. Big money signing, truncated pre-season games - focusing on high profile opponents rather than building the intensity and quality game by game. The owner clearly has an idea of where he wants to take us. Up to the summer we were doing it at a sensible pace. I think they increased that pace this summer and we weren’t ready. I worry about January. Quality isn’t readily available in that month. And prices are premium. I’m not convinced that any signings would be of the necessary quality and would be stop-gaps at best. I’ve heard it said too many times that ‘Gino will rectify it in the summer/January’ - it’s falls on deaf ears for me now. I said a few windows back that the defence was at its limits in both age and ability - and we’ve still ignored it. This summer was the last chance to do the necessary work and we completely ignored it to blow our funds on a luxury winger who hasn’t shown they are ready to hit the ground running.
We won't have to spend a lot in January to improve the defence. A couple of competent League One full backs will do the trick.
I agree with a lot of this, but don't agree with your comment about a wake-up call for the fans. Many of us could see this happening well in advance. We're now beyond the "bit of a blip" stage. Also, in January, I think they WILL have to do something. They cannot afford to hope it all turns around from what we currently have in the squad. That has been exhausted now, and clearly will not happen. Whether they can get players in to help us is another matter, but I think they will be forced into going to the market and paying well over the odds for defenders. They have brought this on themselves.
Well, the new manager bounce lasted 45mins against Arsenal. What you’d come to expect with these gutless vvank3r5
If we get relegated I think we may ****ed financially, so many players on big salaries and I imagine off the top of my head, longish contracts. Who the **** is going to buy half our duds?
We need a whole new back 4 - that's a challenge too far to try and fix in a January window January may well be about planning for life in the championship, 2/3rd of the players will want out
That was meant more for the fans who don’t think there is a problem. Or who think Deeney will solve things. I don’t say that as an attempt to cause friction between the positive and negative factions in the support, or on here. All this ‘Negative Nath’ vs ‘Happy Clappers’ is nonsense as far as I’m concerned. I just think some need to open their eyes a little wider to what they are seeing.
Confidence is a funny thing to quantify. Start to a season generally sets the tone and it seems criminal now the players just seemed they needed to turn up to win, sadly it coincided with a new manager bounce for Brighton. Today plenty of possession and more shots on target and corners than Wolves but let down by another failure of defenders to get tight for the first goal and an aberration from Janmaat for the 2nd. Defence seems unable to keep a clean sheet and there seems no collective show of passion when they concede. Not all fault of the defence, where is the closing down/pressing from the forwards/midfield? How long before Pozzo pulls trigger again? When is the next 'At Your Place' event - will be interesting to know some of the recruitment decisions. Depressing , another week avoiding MOTD and listening to any sports radio shows
