Matej Vydra

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Orny Arry, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Maybe he just knows that Anya's successful conversation rate on crosses is so dire as to make it pointless even taking up a position? Even that one didn't beat the first man.
     
  2. Hornet23

    Hornet23 First Team

    Anya cut it back, or at least tried to cut it back, into an area where a striker should have been.
     
  3. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    I can't see that Vydra's done anything wrong at all there. He's in space on the edge of the box waiting for a cut-back. As the commentary says - Anya tried to cut it back to Vydra. And failed. Sure he could have been further forward amongst the defenders and got lucky. But he chose, sensibly, to hang back in a bit of space. He didn't have to sprint anywhere. Anya's ball failed to reach him. Not his fault.
     
  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Kelso's right. The cut back was aimed at the space Vydra was in but it was unsuccessful. We can spend all day saying he should have busted a gut to get to the back post but I imagine he knows where best to head to receive the ball from Anya.
     
  5. blahblahblah

    blahblahblah Reservist

    I was at the game and as soon as Anya was released the whole crowd sensed we'd caught them on the break and were urging Vydra to push up quickly. It was a classic counter attacking move that Vydra excels at, so to see him literally jog up seemed to typify his current attitude and I'm certain was what SJ was referring to when he said he needed to work harder.
     
  6. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    At the end of that run Anya had an acre of time and looked up for the pass and there was nobody there. IMO Vydra should have bust a gut to get into the box and Anya would have had that ball over to him. It felt wrong at the time and it feels even more so watching that over again. Maybe he had certain instructions, maybe he expected Anya to be caught and the cross delayed, whatever, it just felt wrong to me.
     
  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    If Vydra had used his abilities to slow down time that he has, he'd have had even more time to get to the ball.

    ****.
     
  8. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    We know how fast Vydra is. If he'd wanted to, he'd have got to the box in time to be an option for the cross. Instead, he's surrounded on the edge of the box and it would have been almost impossible for Anya to find him and create a chance.

    If you think this wasn't an attitude thing, watch his reaction after the ball spins out. Head down, trudging. No effort to chase down the or put pressure on the defender. He's been on the pitch 5 minutes, that can't be down to tiredness.
     
  9. Goat

    Goat First Year Pro

    if you look closely you'll see he had just spotted Pudil's wife, which distracted him
     
  10. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    If Vydra was any good he'd have been at the back post before the game even started.
     
  11. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    He was, with a green bib on.
     
  12. fullonloon

    fullonloon First Year Pro

    An interesting spin on it.
     
  13. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    Pun intended?
     
  14. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    The ball spun off the defender and could've gone anywhere. When you think about it Vydra is mostly a reactionary player, his real success comes from reacting to a pass quicker than a defender and then using his superior pace to get the ball first. However the ball has to at least be in range for his reaction and here it really never was.
     
  15. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Totally agree. He was in a poor position.
     
  16. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    He's waiting for Anya's pass into feet or into space ... he got neither.
     
  17. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    By standing in an area surrounded by Charlton players? It would have taken a very special pass from Anya to set up a chance. If this was Fabbrini, or Dyer, or McGugan, or Ranegie, there would be no discussion.
     
  18. Jimmy2shoes

    Jimmy2shoes First Year Pro

    he should have been loving coming on at that point in the game with the opportunity to grab a couple of goals and prove a point. Instead of busting a gut he just played like every other player on the pitch at that point, basically just running the clock down.
     
  19. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    But it wasn't Fabbrini, or Dyer, or McGugan, or Ranegie, it was Vydra and he uses his pace to lose defenders that are "surrounding" him.

    And Fabbrini, or Dyer, or McGugan, or Ranegie would not have been at the back post to tap in that chance either. It was a freak.
     
  20. Vydra should absolutely been bombing into the back post for that, not hanging around on the edge of the 18 yard box
     
  21. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    back post? I don't think so.
     
  22. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Vydra should have been storming into the box and by the time Anya was ready to cross he should have been somewhere between the penalty spot and the six yard line. In the end Anya had no choice other than to blast it low and hope for a corner or own goal.
     
  23. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Whatever

    You'd think they don't train for these situations and Vydra wasn't where he was meant to be ... but hey the fans know best.
     
  24. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Vydra was so slow getting into the box that he's still trying to get there now.
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Umm, except for actually in these last few months Vydra has looked slightly heavy and off the pace...
     
  26. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    No. He was in space. If he'd been on the goal line he'd have been surrounded.
     
  27. Hornet23

    Hornet23 First Team

    So he was waiting for the Charlton defenders to magically disappear so Anya's cut back would find him?
     
  28. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I've heard he's not been the same since they brought the McRib back.
     
  29. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Not sure if I've said anywhere that Vydra should be on the goal line and I'm actually not suggesting he'd have tapped in that rebound. I'm just pointing out that this was lazy movement and I was expecting more from a player fresh off the bench, fighting for his place in the starting XI.
     
  30. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    A poacher would probably have tried to get in front of the keeper but Vydra's not that type of player. Either way the tap in was never on as no one else was following up.
     
  31. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Anya makes two wrong choices. Firstly he looks up and sees Vydra hanging back to stay in space. But Anya decides not to pass it. Then he goes for the byline and tries to half square it when no-one's there. Sure, Vydra's movement looks lethargic but what he wants is the space. If he'd been further forward he wouldn't have had it. It's not all about running around at 100 m.p.h. just for the sake if it.
     
  32. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    See #37 above.
     
  33. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Whatever you say. I saw it differently but you're entitled to your opinion.
     
  34. Rugbyballs

    Rugbyballs Reservist

    It looked worse with the naked eye... It was if he thought Anya would lose it. For me what highlighted it more is a few minutes before that Deeney went dribbling 10 yards in front of him and he did the same.. Walked behind him, as if he knew Deeney would lose it. He aculy done 2 or 3 players and laid it off sideways turned around and Vydra was standing stationary in the semi circle !
     
  35. blahblahblah

    blahblahblah Reservist

    H
    Anya was doing the job we pay him to do. Pity Vydra didn't.
     

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