Marco Silva Tapping Up Complaint

I'm certain that there are plenty of decent, level-headed Everton fans out there. There must be, right? Very few seem to show themselves online.

Imagine if what they are accused of doing to us happened to them instead? Would they expect their club to just let it go? Problem is as soon as you hit them with this logic, all you get in reply is "yeah but before I was even born we won a load of trophies, MASSIVE CLUB" etc.

 

They believe they were victims of this in the past when Chelsea came calling for John Stones. And when Moyes went to United. Difference is that they relented and eventually let both leave. We did not.

It’s quite basic to me - Everton FC don’t seem to understand the meaning of the word ‘no’ and believe the more they hear the word, it will always eventually turn to ‘yes’.

 

But that would prevent the £50m sale of Okaka and the £25m sale of Sinclair ??

 

This whole saga is a massive bore. What is 'tapping up' anyway? If it's what I think it is, in any other walk of life it's called headhunting and is quite normal commercial practice. Gino should move on. We've screwed Everton over with the Richarlison fee, that should be 'revenge' enough. When we're looking for a new manager (which will probably be sooner, rather than later) no doubt we'll be doing a bit of 'tapping up' of our own. This is how football works and in this respect it's just like any other industry

 

As I have always maintained Everton's pursuit of Silva broke the rules as they approached him mid-competition. How many times has that ever happened? We can talk about it being disrespectful but the main issue is weighting the competition strongly in favour of the rich and mighty. They can rant and rave on Merseyside about us tapping up Silva whilst at Hull but pretty sure any approach was made after they were relegated. The biggest joke is the number of managers they say we have had compared to them. Just hope the arbitration panel has an independent element. Whatever the outcome sure it will be further distorted by biased media reporting.

 

Using the 'this happens in normal businesses' argument in football is always futile. It's football, it's different, it's not every day business. Why compare the two?

 

That would make an interesting legal argument!

 

Not always legal though is it? It can still amount to inducing breach of contract. Fine if you don't get found out as you might say. Otherwise like Everton you face the consequences if someone complains.

 

Is there anyone employed in the football industry who hasn't at some stage been in breach of their contract?

 

There aren’t multi-millions at stake in every other walk of life or business.

 

So what?

 

Everton did wrong they should be punished, simples!

Even if WFC get nothing from this, Everton getting some meaningful censure from the PL such as a points deduction, as a fine would not be a real deterent, would establish a precedent and should go a long way to curtailing this disgraceful sort of behaviour from other clubs in the future.

 

Do you think Everton are the first club to do something like this? It happens all the time. The FA/Premier League or whoever's rule it is, should scrap their ludicrous - and, in all probability, unenforceable - no 'tapping up' rule. My point is, we are as likely to be the next perpetrators of a tapping up 'crime' as the victims of it. Pozzo should stop being so Italian about the whole thing and get over it and focus 100 per cent of his effort on bringing in a decent centre back and forward within the next fortnight

 

Be nice if we signed some players rather than trying to get some pennies off Everton

 

It's mad isn't it.

I never thought I'd meet fans I dislike more than Liverpool fans.

Equally as deluded, but at least Liverpool fans fill you with joy, knowing that this year again isn't going to be their year.

With Everton fans. it's just sad.

 

Not the tiniest tinest tiniest chance they will get a points deduction !!! They will get some form of censure, a telling off, maybe a minor fine at most. It's great to stand up for principles etc but otherwise utterly pointless and a waste of everybodies' time. There was only a point when we believed we were going to get some dosh !

 

I agree it is a ludicrous rule as long as teams are just given a slap on the wrist.

That is why I am suggesting that a points deduction, rather than a fine should be the punishment, then it would not be such a ludicrous rule, because a points deduction could realistically hit a club where it really hurts, as it could possibly cost the offending club their PL status.

 

We've been through this before mate, the situations were different

Stones - Everton were in negotiations with Chelsea and the transfer was progressing smoothly. They reached an impasse about the fee and Chelsea subsequently got Mourinho, Terry and Cahill to make open statements during press conferences about wanting Stones to join Chelsea, hoping it would coerce Stones into submitting a transfer request - it worked. The fan reaction was huge and as a result Everton went the other way and refused to deal with Chelsea on that deal and it is also alleged that they preferred to deal with Man Utd a year later rather than Chelsea when Lukaku was leaving. There's even a suggestion that the bad blood led Chelsea to shaft Everton on the Barkley deal last summer. It was the public courting that was the problem here if they'd negotiated without resorting to that, he'd be playing for them today

Appreciate you might not see the distinction, but it was a line they believed Chelsea had crossed which isn't quite the same in the Silva case

Having said that, I've said many times here that I think the whole Silva thing stinks - primarily on Silva's part. Listened to a good podcast on the plane earlier with a guy from The Rookery End podcast as a guest and his feelings on the Silva thing more or less echo my own - Silva's part in this is reprehensible. I don't think Everton come out of it smelling like roses either, but they at least stopped short of crossing the line which they fell out with Chelsea over

 

I'd be absolutely astonished if it ended up in a points deduction. A fine is the most you can realistically expect, and I'd be surprised if it was as much as Everton originally offered in compensation

I'm not saying that's right or wrong (although I can think of far more blatant cases of tapping up which have gone unpunished), but a points deduction would be unprecedented in this sort of situation as far as I'm aware

 

To a lesser extent, Everton are dealing with the same sort of thing with Lookman right now

Ralph Rangnick barely seems to go a day at the moment without mentioning in a press conference about how much he wants Lookman at Leipzig and that he knows the player wants the move too

Based on the Stones/Chelsea thing, there's a reasonable chance this could end up being counterproductive on their part

 

I’m glad we’re fighting it. Sends a clear message to the rest of teams eyeing up our players/staff that they need to do it the right way, not the Sam Allardyce way.

Everton are running scared and even if nothing comes of it, this whole thing is making them look like a shambles of a club.

Behind closed doors they will be working hard on this and giving it a lot of attention. I also wouldn’t be surprised if this is affecting them signing their top targets. Considering all of the their top targets have rejected them so far. It’s common knowledge that, even in their fan base, that Richarlison was 4th on the list on wingers.

It sounds like we have everything we need to screw them, now it’s just a matter of the PL having the gall to do something and not just slap their wrist.

I’m sure it will end up just being a fine, but it would be hilarious if a transfer embargo or points deduction was thrown in.

Foil hat time: My only concern with us doing this is that the PL will get fed up with us pressing them to do something, they will send us down by having decisions go against us. Much easier for them to pass the buck than actually do something. If we’re 10 games in and multiple decisions have gone against us, I will come back to this theory.

 

Whilst this is a good point, is "tapping up" restricted to only during the season? Does it not count if it's in pre-season? I'm genuinely asking as whilst it's a fair point I wasn't aware of any rule which said that

 

I think we've already proven that that doesn't work - we've had three seasons of decisions going against us.

 

It's happened to us recently mate, do you really think David Moyes ran his contract down and it was just good luck that Alex Ferguson retired in the same summer?

Proving it is another matter

 

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seems completely blinded by the facts.

 

Why should Gino move on? If he believes his club has been hard done by he should do whatever he wants. Somebody needs to make a stand, why not Watford?

 

There are always plenty of managers on the dole to choose from why go after ours. If Silva fails after 10 games does that entitle Moshiri to tap up the Brighton, Fulham or Newcastle managers this coming season? There is a principle at stake. Watford are expected to roll-over every time but if it was Benitez there would be a he'll of a stink kicked up.

 

Indeed, which is why it was almost bizarre that Marco didn't use a burner phone? I'm sure you would agree.

 

Sorry mate, it's about the money. The "guilt" aspect of it might mean a lot to you and other Watford fans, but everyone knows what happened. Do you honestly think it affects anything? Did Liverpool's public apology to Southampton for tapping up VVD really affect anything?

I understand why you have your point of view on this, but nobody cares other than Watford fans and to a lesser extent Everton fans. It will generate a few column inches on the day the decision comes in and then be largely forgotten about. That's not the Evertonian bias in me, it's just a realistic view of how football tends to work

 

It's a ludicrous rule because football clubs - like all businesses - should be allowed to approach who they like when they like when they have a senior position to fill. And I'm sure if that was challenged in court, the judge would agree

 

The original article was money grabbing Watford, then he finds out we won't be getting money. Such moaners, they really are.

 

So Italian! What on Earth are you talking about? We have never had such a focused owner ever...

 

On the contrary it will show that despite talking about this for months and kicking up a fuss and probably spending bucket loads of cash on solicitors, we will get nothing and Everton pretty much no penalty. So if anyone else want to do this to us, press on safe in the knowledge that there will be no comeback. Do you really think potential signings would be affected by this ? "They may be offering the most and have the best prospects but they have this claim hanging over them" ? You must be joking.

 

There are plenty of managers on the dole, and they're on the dole for a reason! I would have no problem with Everton approaching anyone if Silva f*cks up - its up to that person's club to renegotiate terms to keep their best employees happy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you can prove it. And Everton will get a fine or some sort of slap on the wrist. Watford fans will celebrate at being vindicated. Everton fans will grumble a bit.

And other than that, nobody - not players, fans, officials nor anybody else in football - will really care and life will go on.

Is this right? No. You have rules and you either adhere to them or you don't but in this instance the rule is openly flouted by every club in the league, so picking on a particular case seems counterproductive. Either clamp down on it or get rid of the rule, but this ignoring of the rule leads to situations like this where the league don't want to enforce it