Is Marco Silva all that?

oh right, I didnt know any of that. Sounds the same as here. Maybe silva's not arsed about having control of transfers then.

 

I honestly have no idea. If he was going to resign, he'd have done it by now I'd have thought. Depends if everton offer an absurd amount of money for him. But what that figure is, I have no idea. £20m? £25m? Those numbers are dwarfed by what we earn from not letting him leave and him keeping us up. It would be amusing if we insisted he stayed, then we got relegated.

 

yeah but now that everton chap has told us their managers dont have control over transfers. Now I dont know what to think!

 

The revelation over how much control Everton’s manager has over transfers makes it seem a little unfair on Koeman. They sold Lukaku and didn’t replace him, then spent a fortune on players they didn’t really need. If Koeman didn’t choose them then it all seems a bit of a shambles.

 

Odds on Silva going through the floor now. It's happening.

 

The media would have a meltdown if that happened. That would be ‘all of our chickens coming home to roost’ and them all being proven right in a stopped clock is right twice a day type of scenario.

 

He can’t have been ‘promised’ anything as we haven’t given Everton permission to speak to him. If he has by other routes that’s tapping up.

 

Some players Koeman specifically asked for:

Martina (dreadful)
Klaassen (dreadful)
Sigurdsson (surprisingly dreadful)
Schneiderlin (great last season, our worst player this season)
Stekelenberg (Meh)

Others he was more of a constituent part of the process:

Pickford (Excellent)
Keane (jury's out)
Vlasic (promising)
Sandro (dreadful)
Gueye (Excellent last season, average this season)
Lookman (promising)
Calvert-Lewin (promising)
Williams (Dear God)
Bolasie (can't come back quick enough)
Rooney (has done much better than you might think)
Onyekuru (on loan at Anderlecht - reports that Barcelona and Spurs are trying to buy him from us before he has actually kicked a ball in an Everton shirt)

Koeman did specifically ask for another striker and a left-sided defender, which we didn't deliver. But suggestions that we presented lots and lots of striking options to him, but he was only satisfied with Giroud and Diego Costa. We came close to Giroud but Costa was always pie-in-the-sky. You could say that Koeman's standards may have been unrealistically high on this point

 

Welcome. A perfectly fair analysis. You're the third one now I think. One of the others was perfectly reasonable. The other was a tw.t and was shown the door and thankfully left early.

 

Marco Silva , who is currently working in Watford, was the favorite of the club's leaders . Everton wanted to buy him from Vicarage Road for £ 8.5m, but "Wormhole" did not agree. In this situation, Everton's largest shareholder, Farhad Moshiri,focused on the unemployed van Gaal.

From a Polish website. Who is 'Wormhole'? We should be told.

 

#fake newz?

 

I think Wormhole is Moshiri’s affectionate nickname for Gino.

 

4/7 on Skybet

 

And he has said this morning that you are ‘toiling’ in your efforts as our stance has not softened one bit. He’s even gone as far as saying Moshiri has got this whole affair badly wrong before he back-tracked a bit saying he’s worried he’ll get a text from Mr Moshiri. If that’s all true, and Moshiri is persisting, whilst not breaking any specific rules, it can’t be far off us taking this to the PL. You can’t repeatedly make offer after offer when the answer is always the same. When do you have some dignity and find another girl in the nightclub?

We’ve made our peace with the fact Silva will move on eventually - he was always that kind of appointment. Disappointed if he goes after 12 games but it’s still the same result that we knew would come after 1 or 2 years.

Whilst you don’t have a problem with Everton wanting Silva, it’s pretty classless you have to say?

 

FFS, you’ve forced me read it now and I’ve still missed ‘kinda’. Have to read it again now. I’ll report back tonight after I’ve woken up again

 

Why on earth would you sack Walsh - he did such a great job over the summer

 

Hmmmmmm, it's certainly classless on Silva's part

On Everton's part? Perhaps I can see that from your perspective you might think so, but think it's really just us trying to get our target from (understandably) reluctant sellers. If we're not prepared to take "no" for an answer, there isn't going to be any way of coming across "classy" in the whole thing. I think it's all fairly distasteful, but selfishly I suppose I want Everton to get the best manager possible at this point (we're certainly in need of one right now)

I expect, if it happens, that relationships may be damaged between the two clubs for a while, which is regrettable.

That was certainly true of Everton and Chelsea - Everton much preferred to sell Lukaku to Man Utd last summer as a result of the Stones saga the previous summer.

 

Well, yeah...

 

You mean like Chelsea chasing Stones?

 

This is clearly how it's all going to pan out.

 

But that’s just it - at what point do you take ‘no’
for an answer? As seemingly that’s the only answer you’ve been given, regardless of what Silva is or isn’t saying. Genuinely interested to hear your take on it. It’s taken you a month so far - and over a week (at least) of that has been spent on Silva. You’ve set your stall out that you want him - I have no problem with that. But we’ve set our stall out and said no. If you’d sacked Koeman yesterday, I’d understand a continued pursuit - but FIVE WEEKS with seemingly no positive outcome on the horizon for you. When do you have the dignity to realise you haven’t got your own way for once when trying to poach a manager and go elsewhere?

 

I get your point mate. As I say, the tipping point with that was when Chelsea started the media campaign with Mourinho, Terry and Cahill. Felt like the line had been crossed, fans became furious and board broke off talks with Chelsea as a result.

Won't pretend I'm not guilty of looking at things through blue-tinted glasses at times, so perhaps in another way this line has been crossed from your perspective. If that's the case, I can't really argue.

I do feel slightly apologetic about the whole thing, but not sure if that's because of my Watford leanings or because I know we're doing something wrong.

 

Indeed. An awful shame as we've looked so fondly on Everton since 1984.

Thanks, for Kevin Richardson, BTW. And Heidar would have done the same as Andy Gray. But still .....

 

Without knowing the ins and outs of it all (I don't believe a lot of what I read in the papers - Andy Hunter and Paul Joyce are generally the only two journalists I would trust implicitly from an Everton perspective to report facts. Jim White, whilst having Moshiri as a direct source, is essentially part of the Everton propaganda machine now, so you have to take what he says with a pinch of salt at times), I find this difficult to answer.

I think a lot of this would be down to Silva and his agent. If they were giving us encouragement that they felt they could manoeuvre the situation so that the Pozzos would allow him to leave if the right sort of money was offered, I'd say we keep going until we find the right figure. If that's not the case, and we're doing it more out of hope that if we keep throwing money at it, you'll break, then I think we would need to move on. All very dependent on whether what the Pozzos say and what they mean are the same thing. I imagine we'll know quite shortly which is the case

 

Touché - the look of horror on my (at the time 'future') father-in-law's face when he realised his daughter was involved with an Everton fan will probably never leave me. Some scars never fully heal, it seems.

 

I believe I read something from Paul Joyce in The Times last week that basically outlined the situation as it is though? That EFC were making a mess of it and the whole thing was rudderless. Time is against you on this one. If you want to buy a player, you have a whole transfer window to make that happen. Manager appointments are fairly time critical and the time you’ve taken is already unprecedented. I genuinely cannot believe you haven’t walked away from this - especially with another two games to come before the weeks out.

As for you saying Silva is classless - hmm, it’s hard to disagree on the surface of things and you’ll certainly find a couple of people on here who support your theory. I was very disappointed with his comments after Saturdays game - just because I wanted him to say he’s staying and not interested, not because I expected him to. But the more I’ve thought about them, the more I’ve seen they can also be seen in a dignified manner. Publically, he hasn’t agitated for anything. He’s said he’s got a job to do here and he can’t control anything else beyond that. I’ve no doubt his head has been turned - I’d question his ambition if it hadn’t. But if it’s a game of poker that his agent wants to play with our owner, there’s only one winner.

You see the similarities in the John Stones thing but say it’s slightly different. Isn’t it true that Stones handed in a transfer request to force a move to Chelsea? Thats more classless than anything Silva has done this far. And your owners took a stand, said no. And sold him where they wanted him to go. I suspect we’ll do much the same when we are good and ready. For now, no means no.

 

I think what pisses me off more is that Garth Crooks doesn’t just think the situation is acceptable but he is positively encouraging this sort of thing. The defence being that we always sack our managers after a few months which is equally bollox.

 

Also bottom line is we have something that Everton want to buy. We don't need to sell therefore we hold all the cards, however there will be a point where an offer may mean that the Pozzos allow Everton to simply talk to him but I think it relies on two conditions being met, (1) the right offer and (2) when they have someone else lined up to take over. Obviously the Pozzo's aren't going to announce the price nor whether they've found someone beforehand. However the dynamic will change if Silva announces that we wants to talk to them, this hasn't happened and he has simply publicly said nothing.

 

I went to the World Cup in Germany in 2006 and was sat in a restaurant in Baden-Baden where England’s camp was. The place was used as a hub for the press and public alike, where players would come down sporadically, do an interview or meet some fans and disappear back up the hill with their wives to the hotel. Was all very civilised - that was until Garth Crooks came through, agitated that he needed a chair to eat breakfast and make notes and tried to get the manager to make me give up my seat. My response was less than courteous. Then when I was having a nice chat with Peter Crouch about music, Crooks decided to try and butt in and conduct an interview, at which point Crouch told him to wait 5 minutes and called him a ‘complete tw*t’ after he walked off.

So yeah. I agree. He’s a ****.

 

Oh, yes, on your first bit you're absolutely right. The situation does look rudderless. To be fair, we've only had three league games, winning one, drawing one and losing one, so it's perhaps not quite as desperate as it may appear but I'm sure we would have liked to have made an appointment by now. There was a lot of speculation that Kenwright (the chairman) was urging patience as he wanted to see if Unsworth could transfer his (frankly incredible) achievements from our U23s to the first team. There's an element of sensibility in that as, if we were lucky, we would have had a ready-made Evertonian to take over with zero compensation payable straight away. Probably fair to say that things haven't exactly improved dramatically, although there's been a very slight upturn in performances, and we're now at the point where we can probably safely say that we need a new manager rather than placing our faith in the relatively untried Unsworth. From memory I think Joyce was critical of the search for a manager, rather than specifically the Silva bit. He wasn't the only one. Having said that, if we've now put all of our eggs in the Silva basket (assuming we've been given encouragement), walking away at this point would probably make the situation even worse - can you imagine the headlines about the state of us, being unable to attract a manager and going after unrealistic targets etc etc? If there's a chance, I don't blame them for going all in here.

On Silva, I just think the timing is what makes it classless. Had he wanted to move to Everton (for example) in the summer, I think most people would have probably understood, even if there may be the inevitable disappointment. To want to do it after twelve games is what sticks in my throat. It's not the refusal to deny speculation or anything like that, it's the desire to get out of a job this early when something else comes along. I'm not sure I would be as even-handed about this if I were in your position as you seem to be (which probably says more about me than you).

Stones - yes, he did submit a transfer request, which was a symptom of the bigger issue. The transfer was progressing ok up until the point Chelsea made the ill-fated decision to launch their media campaign to push Stones into forcing through the move (there was a deadlock about price, I think). Stones took the bait, submitted the transfer request, and all hell broke loose as a result because it disturbed the balance of what could have been an amicable deal. 15 months on, relations with Chelsea are still very frosty as Everton (and the fans) felt Chelsea had crossed the line. If we've reached the point where a line has been crossed (and I appreciate the lines are blurred here), I would expect a similar outcome too.

 

Yep, you have to worry when Garth Crooks is on your side

 

As always, Toffee is good value. I wonder if his agent would be willing to encourage him to come over to this forum permanently?

 

When the media start running articles about how much Everton will pay Silva and how big a transfer budget he will have - is where the problem starts.
It's common place but it is effectively using the Media to tap up players and/or managers.

If that didn't happen then their wouldn't be too many issues toward Everton from Watford fans.

It's a no brainer that Everton would be interested in a Manager that is s having a good season.
I'd be worried though if Everton had put all their eggs in this basket.

 

I accept it is unlikely that Silva will have spoken to Everton yet, but his Agent probably has and therefore passing on information.

I hope the snake goes this week, and if so, I am sure the Pozzo's will have a replacement ready. The worse case scenario is that an agreement is reached whereby Unsworth stays till the end of the season and then Silva takes the job next season. When we play Everton in February, what if both teams are fighting against relegation. Is Silva really going to try and defeat his future employers?

My biggest concern however is that Doucoure and Richarlison move with him in January or the end of the season.

 

Everton will not afford both. Richarlison is potentially a £70m-£80m player and has 4.5 year left on his contract.