Is Marco Silva all that?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Vicarage Road, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Vicarage Road

    Vicarage Road Reservist

    yes, we’re easier on the eye and comfortably sitting seventh in the league, but is Marco Silva the real deal?
    His defensive methods are questionable to say the least and his game time tactical decisions have been poor on more than one occasion. Examples: he got lucky against Liverpool and Swansea. He tried to go Like for like against Man City and blew it at Chelsea with the Deeney/Watson sub and against stoke decided on swapping to a 442 second half, instead of straight swapping Capoue for Hughes, which would have been move effective.
    He’s obviously better than the clown we had last season but when it comes to game changing moments, I think he falls short
     
  2. barker

    barker Academy Graduate

    A lot of other clubs think so... It's not just his tactics on the field. It's how he relates to players, creates an atmosphere at the club, plays a part in attracting other players to the club, handles the media. Every manager of every club will always have their decisions questioned and debated. Also, hasn't been here long enough. Give him a break ...
     
  3. Grrwood

    Grrwood Reservist

    I think you're forgetting the 3 games in a row we scored in the last minute. Yes he hasn't got everything right recently - for me the Watson sub in the Chelsea game was a strange one and there could have been more to change style on Saturday but what could have been done? In terms of changes during the game he sits somewhere between Slav and Mazzari - we won't see any tactical subs in the first half but he's not just going to sit there with his fingers crossed hoping it will all work out.
     
  4. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    He’s very good for such a young manager.

    As mentioned above, his man management and squad management skills are second to none.

    The shape of the team in defensive and offensive positions is great.

    These are incredibly difficult skills to get right at a smaller club and show he has something special about him.

    He’s definitely not perfect yet. But he definitely doesn’t have a perfect squad here, and more obviously at Hull, which would give him more options tactically. That’ll come with time.

    He was weak away at Hull, and isn’t too strong at home for us. But for me, that shows he’s not a one trick pony. It’s just learning through experience when to start a match slightly more attacking/ more defensive. And for us at least, we are still creating golden chances when we lose, which suggests we are not far away.

    The one way I’d like him to show more flexibility is set pieces. Going purely zonal continues to cost us. Whilst we have good midfielders, and continue to come from behind through sheer determination, Silva’s tactics better suit counter attacking football. Therefore continuing to give away a soft set piece goal (or a golden opportunity) every match is grating. We need to protect stronger against late runners.

    The death of many good young managers is refusing to be flexible when your innovative tactics aren’t working (like Villas Boas, with his two inside forwards).

    Switch up the defensive set pieces. Get some players back from injury. And we’ll have a very good season.
     
  5. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard Squad Player

    Considering he's only 40, and hasn't even got a full year under his belt in the Premier League, I think he's doing a very good job. Sure, he's been lucky with last minute goals, and has made mistakes with the tactics and substitutions, but he's still learning and will only improve. The football he's got us playing is better than the dross we've had to put up with the 18 months prior to his appointment.

    He won't be here long, same with Richarlison and Doucoure, so enjoy this period while it lasts, because we could easily end up losing all three next Summer.
     
  6. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    He's young and learning.

    You are old and set in your ways.

    Who do you think, when on their death bed, will have fewer regrets about life?
     
  7. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    Also regarding last minute goals, you may say he's lucky but he's got the team positively set up to attack til the end rather than settle.

    If that was QSF we'd be desperately sitting back holding on for a draw or a low GD.

    If that was Mazzarri he'd be puffing away on a ciggie out the back uttering something obscure in italian with the players runnning round like headless chickens.

    With our fitness and energy levels and the way we are set up to manage games, we seem to be able to push for 90 minutes where others tire, and our players seem encouraged to do so by Silva.

    That's got to go on the managers head for organising it as well as the players for delivering it.
     
  8. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    Yes, he is all that. IMO.
     
  9. Levon

    Levon Squad Player

    I knew this was going to happen.
     
  10. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    He's all that AND a bag of potato chips......
     
  11. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Headless chickens with the same amount of points and a better goal difference after the same amount of games last season.
     
  12. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    Reinstate Mazzarri!!!!!
     
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  13. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    True. With Mazzarri however you never really understood how we actually won. We just seemed to get a result somehow.
     
  14. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever First Year Pro

    Make sure this is a question you can answer confidentially yourself, before you make that assumption of others. Don't show yourself up as being yet another football forum user with low self esteem issues.
     
  15. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    I could see why he put on Hughes to try and slip through a solid defence. The other option could have been a cameo from Jaanmat as he likes to carry the ball. Not comparable with the sub at Chelski with Watson which was odd in hindsight. All managers can be fallible over substitutions but definitely better than Walter!
     
  16. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    I swear we as fans lurch from one extreme to another. 2-3 wins makes him a fantastic manager who's too good for us and is the next GT whereas 2-3 losses sees him called overhyped and whether he's up to the task. It gets very boring very quickly.

    He's exactly what we expect him to be at this time; a mid-table manager with potential to improve. With our squad we're not over or under achieving as it stands with stand with mid table wins, draws and losses. Our quality of football is good and stands up against most teams in the league but like any team it does have its strengths and weaknesses which can be utilised and exploited.
     
  17. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    The football we're playing shows that he clearly is a good manager. The team morale is brilliant which is also partly down to him. All of the players are saying how much they're enjoying it.

    It is little mistakes that are irritating me but much like a young player, a young manager will make these and hopefully learn from them. He certainly hasn't learnt that his methods of defending corners are totally wrong but hopefully he will soon!

    He also needs to think more carefully about his subs. That sub vs Chelsea was a big error and I just wish he'd at least put Okaka on the bench. He may not be suited to his style at all times, but it doesn't take a genius to know that at times Okaka would be so so useful to bring on. We were crying out for someone like him to be introduced on Saturday. Stoke were sitting back so deep so keeping it simple and launching it into the box to him could have created more chances. But alas he wasn't on the bench. There needs to be a contingency plan and that's it!

    All in all though, I'm still thoroughly enjoying watching us. Especially away from home. He needs to figure out a style to get us picking up points at home though, as we cant play on the break if a team is parking the bus.
     
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  18. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Speak when spoken to, boy.
     
  19. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    No - Yet to be convinced.

    I don't see him any better than Mazzari really. He's just got lucky in that an outstanding player (Richarlison) has come in and we've picked up points with last minute goals. If Wally had got Richarlison (and a fit Bobby P) and had had a better initial record, then maybe he would have been indulged by our fickle fanbase in the same way Silva has.

    As those above have pointed out, there have been all sorts of, what seem to be, dodgy decisions (e.g. bringing on Watson at Chelsea, going 5 at the back, not giving Hughes or Okaka a sniff). Deeney remarked earlier in the season that Silva had got lucky with a change which brought a win, but could easily have ended in defeat. All this has passed with barely a comment, less a complaint and definitely not the tedious non-stop bellyaching and knicker-wetting that accompanied every Mazzari decision.

    I also find Silva a wee bit bland. A paint-by-numbers Premiership manager in a suit. If you were to mentally picture 'premiership football manager', you'd come up with something very close to Silva.

    I have to say I felt far more connection to the unfortunate Mazzari. They talk about managers you could go out for a pint with. Well I'd far rather go for an untipped ciggy, a couple of liquor shots, a fight with the goalkeeping coach and some heavily-accented "Itanglish" with a snarling Wally than a white wine spritzer and a meaningless chat full of stereotypical platitudes from the anodyne, media-friendly Silva.

    There's a reason Spam, Everton and Lesta were/are all looking at Mazzari by the way. It's because he's a top European manager with a proven record behind him. Unfortunately because of bloody fan power, we are left to wonder what a second season with fit players might have looked like.

    Our loss I reckon.
     
  20. Meh!

    Meh! Pre-Dictator

    I can't think of anything more depressing than turning up to our next home game and seeing Walter sitting in our dugout.
     
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  21. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Perhaps we should play all our home games away from home? at the KC stadium.


    Silva is 40 now.. at a similar age to when his fellow Portuguese manager arrived in London and went on to great things. Still early doors for MS with less than 50 games at this level under his belt. The signs are promising though.
     
  22. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    **** me, you still around doing the same old schtick?

    I forget who I put on ignore half the time.
     
  23. I still prefer Zola
     
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  24. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Who doesn't?
     
  25. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Seeing QSF I reckon.
     
  26. Keighley

    Keighley Reservist

    He was easier on the eye than Walt though.
     
  27. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever First Year Pro

    So you want to ignore me, then proceed to reply to my post - says it all.

    It's clear this forum takes up a significant amount of your time, so be it, but it makes no sense to reply to forum members if you want to ignore them.
     
  28. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever First Year Pro

    Daddy issues?
     
  29. Unhappy bunny

    Unhappy bunny Squad Player

    I never thought I'd find myself disagreeing with Clive on anything other than politics, economics, society or tje meaning of life, but I'd much rather watch enterprising, entertaining football from Silva than the risk-averse dross we saw from Wally and Florrie. Joker was probably a bit better at game management, but I'd take either over any Watford manager except GT.

    But if going out drinking, it would have to be GT or Aidy
     
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  30. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Agreed. Comfortably our hunkiest ever manager.
     
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  31. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Or Steve Harrison.

    If things got boring you could ask him to perform his party trick.
     
  32. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Boy you're churlish sometimes Clive.
     
  33. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Are you asking me or telling me? You ******* oddball.
     
  34. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Confidently? What is the point of you exactly?
     
  35. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Sometimes I click the 'view ignored' option at the bottom for a laugh, especially on topics like this. Then I see your name, which definitely makes me laugh as I was just talking on another thread about us having 'special fans'.

    If there was ever a book on the subject, you'd be on the front cover m8.
     

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