Werewolf XV

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  1. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    Could you ask him to make it open to everyone please?
  2. simms

    simms vBookie

    I don't think anyones been let in, I've not.

    Big thanks to Diamond and 352 in the end, for getting the game together and running it. It's much appreciated.
  3. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I 2nd that thank you.
  4. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    Thanks for your kind words but WAS didn't mean any offence, think it's a bit of a misunderstanding.

    As for Peralta, he's a c**t!
  5. 352

    352 Moderator

    Yeah that's what I've asked.
  6. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Were you bricking it when you almost went? I really should have stuck to my guns the next day, but I thought I could probably give you another couple of days.
  7. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Come on Meister where are you? We're all dying to get a look at the Grave Yard (pun intended) I'll get my coat :scared1:

    It's most unlike you to go missing like this :confused:
  8. 352

    352 Moderator

    Can people see the graveyard now?
  9. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    I thought I was gone, do doubt. You were really pis*ing me off!
  10. darave8

    darave8 Forum lucky person

    Yes, thanks.
  11. Cude>2<

    Cude>2< First Team Captain

    What about a thank you for saving your arse?
  12. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Squad Player

    reading through the graveyard , it certainly made more sense when you know ,than being in the dark , at the end I read through the whole schizz and found things real or otherwise against all the remaining players!! Voting last and voting wrong didnt help , I was going for Darave early in the morning of the last day , but due to over thinking it and deliberating too long and then having to defend myself agin TVor I got it wrong , no excuses just fecked it up . there are times for logic and procrastination there are times you go with the gut , I ignored my(sizeable) gut when it mattered.
  13. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Well the graveyard thread was an interesting read, despite all the slagging I got, very few of you had a clue who The wolf was, especially my most outspoken critic ::) In fact about the only accurate thing he said was post no 161 in The Grave Yard Thread ;) He even argued against Moog when he declared he was 99% sure Darave was The Wolf.

    I might have left it very very late, but in the end I got it right when nobody else did, as Norn was hardly going to vote for himself. And surprise surprise I even gave a pretty accurate reason as to why I thought it was Darave.

    I'm amazed how everyone suddenly stopped posting when I got it right, except for Cude, who did allude to it in the last post no.206!!! Why no praise, as most of you were very ready to slag me off when I was getting it wrong.

    Lets face it very few of you had any more clue than I did who the Wolf was, and I bet quite a few of you still thought I had got it wrong, meaning ranting, raving, loony VoR did a better job than a lot of you in the end ;)

    I had my reasons for going after Cude, as I tried to explain in my posts, even if you lot did not understand them, so I'll leave it at that, though I have tried to explain myself to Cude in a PM, since the game ended.

    As for the next stage of my thinking many of you seemed to have the same thoughts as me in the graveyard. Opti, Ashdown and PO were mentioned by many of you as your suspects, so why was I still being slagged off for the same suspicions, probably easier to blame someone else rather than your selves ;)

    At the end of the day, I at least try to take part in the game and I got my man in the end, which is more than a lot of you can say.

    Having said that Darave8 can quite rightly be credited with a MORAL VICTORY as he was not completely sussed out by anyone, except me of course ;) (and as far as I can see only Moog in The Grave Yard), perhaps you underestimated me Darave ;)

    Ultimately you only lost by the luck of the draw well played mate :sign15::sign15::sign15:

    Finally, out of order Warehouse (post 108) that's sour grapes if you ask me, ITS ONLY A ****ING GAME!!!
  14. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    OK! I suppose you could have voted for me or Norway ;)
  16. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I do feel a bit bad as I did have a bit of a go. I was frustrated at the lack of participation and you obviously offer that, so I wouldn't want my comments to put you off playing at all.

    I do completely agree that putting people in the spotlight is crucial in a game where werewolves tend to hide, but I guess you refused to listen to people when they told you that it was a thousand times more likely that he was good than evil. And then by continuing a pursuit like that, not only do you waste your vote but convolute the actual arguments that are going on, or the messages that are trying to be passed on.

    Well done for following the logic and getting Darave though, without that evil would have been in a world of trouble!
  17. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    VOR, I agree some of the graveyard comments were harsh but I wouldn't take them to heart. And we weren't all gunning for you (you'll see I 'liked' Cude's post which acknowledged you were finally on the right track). I think it was just that most people (myself included) couldn't understand your absolute certainty re Cude when, as miked said, there was little evidence to support it. I do admire your confidence in taking a stand away from the crowd, though.
  18. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    it's a shame meister and #SM16 were both away over the week and some of the dead couldn't get access earlier as it would have made it more interesting.

    I think this game of could and should have been won a lot lot earlier. Perhaps the words of Billy Bremner should be remembered by team good next time
    "Team First, Self Second"
  19. With A Smile

    With A Smile First Team

    I haven't looked back yet, but will at some point, but I think Diamond gave a massive massive hint, by accident one morning.

    He said that the guardian had sat out side the door of someone for the second time and that he was getting forgetful of who he had already protected. The next day he said that the Guardian had protected himself.

    I think that the guardian had ran out of people to protect and if the good villagers remaining had looked back then they would have seen that PO was the guardian and good.

    It's only a week after but shows why I'm not a detective
  20. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Re the graveyard WAS, I agree - maybe next time whoever's running the game should have the ability to open it up, rather than relying on people who aren't around?
  21. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Have I missed the above 352, or have you not done it yet?
  22. 352

    352 Moderator

    Not done yet, I've been really busy over the weekend helping out with a birthday party for my mum in Watford. So I've been travelling and doig that until about 10 minutes ago when I got back to my flat in Liverpool.

    I'll sort it out shortly. At least part one.
  23. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    No problem mate (if I can call you that ;)) take your time, I just wondered if I might have missed it somewhere?
  24. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Enigma, don't take the comments personally. You're just "that" person. Your role in the game was massively entertaining and you played a big part, but for some of team good, it must have been frustrating to see you hindering good's chances with your random accusations.

    I think Darave should have been lynched by day 7, but the goodies lost focus and went on several wild goose chases.
  25. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Ok moog. Thanks for that. It's not like I didn't know already. I hate this game dunno why I even sign up for it
  26. 352

    352 Moderator

    Werewolf XV: Post-mortem

    Here is the story as it unfolded from the perspective of Diamond. It looks like every message has been recorded and may be of interest to those of you who want to follow everyone's moves as the story went on.

    Sorry this is so late, I have been ridiculously busy. I'm only just about to get round to report Dyer's signing on Vital Watford, just to give you an idea of how busy I've been...

    Player roles:

    Cude>2< Villager
    TheDon Villager
    wfcwarehouse Wolf 3
    nornironhorn Villager
    nisman94 Villager
    Squibba Mason
    Cassetti's Beard Traitor
    Daft Row 1st Seer
    WatfordTalk 2nd Seer
    PowerJugs Mason
    With a Smile Villager
    HappyHornet24 Tinker
    AshdonWFC Villager
    352 Wolf 1
    Miked2006 Witness
    Optimistichornet Villager
    The Voice of Reason Martyr
    Simms Villager
    cthulhu Villager
    wfcmoog Villager
    NorwayHornet Mason
    GoingDown Mason
    Darave8 Wolf 2
    Oxhey Hornet Villager
    Jellyman Villager (extrabackup seer)
    PhilippineOrn Guardian


    Day 1 (Monday June 2nd): Village Opens

    Seer views 352, reply is Evil

    Message 1: (by Seer) Good morning all,
    With little going on I decided to spice things up and view 352 as I was surprised with his naivety of day one rules and regulations. I therefore thought that he may have a major role and try to speed things up a bit.
    We have been very lucky on our first night. He has shown up as evil. Lynch 352 tonight please everyone.
    No hidden messages in here. The only message is that 352 is evil.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    Message 2: (by Wolf) Good afternoon everyone.
    The topic of writing style has come up a lot, and so I'm trying to make sure my style is as neutral as possible. Anyone can accidentally write a certain way, and equally it could be that styles are copied!!!!! (See?) Too much can be read into that in my opinion.
    It was a difficult decision, I have been waiting for someone to properly implicate themself. Quiet ones are often evil as well so I even considered a random view...
    In the end I went for just viewing 352, because if he is evil we can have a confirmed evil kill on day one.
    It turns out 352 is good though....We had better start looking into who is sticking up for who. Don't lynch 352, look for who is fighting against him most though and hopefully I'll get an evil view tomorrow. Maybe I should have looked at one of the others.

    I also accidentally posted this extra bit in 352’s message: Don't want to implicate any other wolves by mistake if I am to go on day one, so I'll just go for broke and hope someone stitches themselves up. Tried to go for a writing style with enough grammatical errors for people to still try to pick up on style, with the message actually referencing a neutral writing style meaning people hopefully look to pick up on anyone who may not be too big on grammar.
    I am pessimistic but let's see what happens. Off work due to a migraine keeping me up all night and in my (pretty cloudy) mind I thought I should play the indignation card to appear innocent as surely a wolf wouldn't do the obvious thing and post loads... right?
    Haha, we'll see.

    It was up for less than 15 seconds and thank God nobody saw it, (I hope)

    Day 1 also saw people jump on to the fact that the messages were missing capitalisation. This was a genuine error when copying between gmail and the forum. I’ve taken steps to ensure this won’t happen again.

    352 was lynched with a huge majority of votes

    The wolves killed off WatfordTalk and With a Smile. Interestingly the emails said this:

    Wolf 3: Interesting first day. I reckon 352 is good so I'm happy to go along with the (somewhat) blind voting and get rid of him. My kill for tonight is WatfordTalk. I'm not getting too much so far so perhaps best to try and go under the radar for now! (this was sent before 352 was officially lynched).
    Wolf 2:
    Well that was a complete mess. I actually thought 352 was good!
    Not much to go on for tonight's kill so I will go for With a Smile, he's had a few accusing him so it could mix things up nicely.

    Day 2:

    Wolf 2 sent the first message, and put HappyHornet in the frame. HappyHornet is the tinker! The Wolf could not have picked a better target, perhaps encouraged by the Guardian protecting HH last night? If the Seer views HappyHornet then all hell will break loose.

    Wolf 2 message:
    Good afternoon all,
    Please do not worry, your Seer survived last nights brutalities.
    I decided to view HappyHornet24 as I had nothing to go on and literally picked at random.
    We have been lucky again. He has shown up as evil.
    Lynch HappyHornet24 tonight and we're in a very strong position.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    The Seer viewed cthulhu, (d*mn), then sent this:
    Afternoon all,
    Your original seer here. I was not killed last night so good news for us there.
    Got to say I was disappointed with some of your reasoning yesterday. The only evidence you could have gone on was the message and some of you STILL ignored it. Not only do you mess up our chances of voting off the correct people but you also make me want to look at you to see if you are good or evil.
    It is for that reason that I viewed cthulhu today and turns out he is good which is frustrating. I emailed Diamond enquiring about this before we received the other message.
    As some of you suggest (having had a quick look at the forum before sending) the chances of two evils in a row is unlikely (but not impossible). I advise you to consider the mathematics in this case though.
    I'm also aware that in this other message the format is similar so don't use this or grammar etc to make any deductions.
    I think our only hope is to lynch someone else who voted incorrectly/was rather inactive yesterday so I propose lynching Squibba. Please lets ALL rally around this. Apologies if you are good Squibba but your lack of activity and voting the wrong way puts me in this position.
    There is no hidden message in here.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    I asked the Seer if he really did send the message earlier and he did, but his work email system was playing up so I got it well after the Wolf had already posted his message.
    Right now I do fear that the Wolf message calling HappyHornet a “he” will be his undoing, and some of the villagers have already picked that up. The Wolf also posted as himself calling HH a “he”. How long will it take though?
    The traitor just posted also calling HH a he, well played sir!

    Unbelievably HH and CB get all the votes, with Cassetti’s Beard being lynched and shown up as the traitor.

    Night 2 saw cthulhu killed and Cude saved by the Guardian, the first time this has happened in any game.

    This from the Guardian
    I still can't fathom why yesterdays vote was so close. Can't imagine why anybody voted for HH24 really.
    So now the bad guys are really on the back foot. If I were a wolf I would probably now be gunning for Cude or myself - since I can't protect me I will hold the umbrella of protection over Cude's head tonight.

    Day 3:

    The villagers seemed to pickup on the fact that I said the Wolf dropped something last night, it was just his guts!
    I was also surprised that when there were no anonymous messages for most of the day that nobody picked up that both Seers could have been killed, which they wouldn’t have been told about by myself.

    After waiting for most of the day without messages, Wolf 2 sent this:
    Evening all,
    I have a large number of suspects to contend with at the moment which really isn't helping my cause. This is also one of the reasons for my late message today. I was waiting for some more clues.
    After much deliberation I viewed wfcwarehouse and it turns out he is good. I won't try and convince anyone to vote off Squibba today (although I still don't trust him).
    I'm clueless on to view tomorrow but let's all stick to the FACTS and stop accusing people with no evidence.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    This seemed to put suspicion firmly on to Warehouse, especially when the seer viewed Jellyman and then sent this:
    Good evening all,
    I've looked at Jellyman and he is good. Reasoning below.
    I think it's far too early for Warehouse to be protecting himself as the wolf. I don't want to give away whether he/she is good to the wolf so therefore went for one of the others under scrutiny today.
    I waited for the wolf to try and stay on top, sorry for leaving it so late.
    Seeing that a couple of others already have I suggest we lynch VOR as his messages confuse me and I suspect him.
    Sorry I couldn't be of more help
    There are no hidden messages here.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    Warehouse was lynched.

    Day 4:

    The Wolf killed Moog overnight and the Guardian protected Cude.

    More late messages after the Seer viewed Simms and was told he was good.

    Seer Message was first:
    Good afternoon All,
    Apologies for leaving it so late yesterday. Congratulations for choosing the right man.
    Not much to say really. I viewed Simms and he's good.
    Now we have a 1/18 chance of lynching the wolf...
    Go for whomever you wish. Apart from me obvs... ;)
    No hidden messages.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    The Wolf followed with this, (entire email):
    Please post this in 30 minutes.
    Good afternoon All,
    I see the wolf couldn't wait yet again. I did think about viewing Simms but that seemed too obvious.
    I viewed Squibba as he has been on my radar for quite some time.
    Squibba is GOOD.
    No hidden messages here.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    Mike the Witness then went all out to out Darave, and when the village voted him off he very nearly crossed the line trying to prove who he was. When the village closed I deleted the worst comments and tried to make him look like a babbling idiot in the death scene.

    Wolf 2 sent this:
    Could Mike of made it any more obvious he's the witness?
    Make sure I get an extra dig in at the end!

    Hence the kick in the nuts when he was lynched!

    Night 4 the Wolf chose to kill the Seer, (Daft Row),, and if the Guardian doesn’t protect him then I’m going to let Wolf 2 know that there will only be 1 message today because there are no Seers left. This will even up the naughty witness behaviour.

    The Guardian protected VoR, so I informed the Wolf that his would be the only message today, which helps to even up the Witness’s actions yesterday. How long will it take the village to realise that all Seers are gone?
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2014
  27. 352

    352 Moderator

    Day 5:

    A long day without a message went on and on and on. VoR was on Cudes case all day. Eventually a message turned up from the Wolf:

    Good afternoon All,
    Please be aware that I posted first yesterday. Simms is GOOD.
    I decided to view TheDon today and he's evil. We must lynch him tonight.
    There is still a tinker at large so I will remain hidden for now...
    No hidden messages.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    The Wolf also asked me to drop a few baby related incidents into the kill to make VoR go into a complete frenzy which I did, but it didn’t work as expected, perhaps because of the weekend break?

    The villagers lynched Simms!

    Over the weekend nisman94 removed himself from the game due to personal issues so I killed him off without much explanation to cause a bit more confusion.

    The Wolf decided to kill HappyHornet24 and sent this message:

    This is a tough choice because there are so many options. I would of liked to start splitting up the Masons, thanks to Norway I know who two of them are.
    I can't risk the guardian getting in my way though so I'm going for HappyHornet24. Everyone is convinced she's good and although I had a game plan to get her lynched, I think this is the right move.

    The Guardian protected nornironhorn.

    Day 6:

    Slowly but surely the villagers are working out that there is no seer, but suspicion from last week means TheDon is heavily suspected.

    Wolf Message:
    Good afternoon All,
    It looks like we have a very sneaky wolf. I told you Simms was good and you still didn't listen.
    I chose to view GoingDown today and he is GOOD.
    We MUST lynch TheDon today as he is the only one proven evil.
    No hidden messages.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    TheDon was voted off whilst TVOR and Cude’s arguments continued.

    That night the wolf sent me this:
    I've got a feeling I'll be coming in for some intense questioning tomorrow!
    I would like to take out GoingDown tonight please.

    So it looks like he’s started to remove the masons

    The Guardian protected Oxhey.

    Day 7:

    The VoR and Cude show rolled on and on.

    Eventually the Wolf sent this message calling himself evil:

    Good afternoon All,
    I am your original seer, I have been here from day one. The wolf has clearly chosen not to post.
    I viewed GoingDown yesterday and he was GOOD. TheDon was must have been the TINKER.
    Today I viewed darave and he is EVIL. Lynch him and team good win.
    No hidden messages.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    We both thought the villagers would now realise the Seer was dead and fall for the double bluff, but they still think he may be alive, and Darave came under suspicion. At the end of the day Cude and Darave were tied with Oxhey not voting. I killed Oxhey to help evil if the tie went the right way, plus if Darave was to die I intended to have a finish where there were many deaths before finally killing Darave, so Oxhey not voting was a bonus.

    The 8.25 at Plumplton finished with an even numbered horse winning, so evil lived another day. That was close. In fact the horse that killed cude was a 25-1 shot!

    No word of apology from tVoR towards Cude was a tad disappointing.

    That night the Wolf went for JellyMan.
    The Guardian protected himself.

    Day 8:

    tVoR now has his sights firmly, (and again wrongly), set on to Ashdon! The Wolf bravely set himself up as evil again with this message:

    Morning All,
    I told you yesterday the darave was EVIL. How could you vote Cude?
    We need to end this today and lynch darave.
    All the best,
    Your Seer

    The vote was split between Ashdon and PhilippineOrn. This time a dog race decided who died, and Ashdon took the hit.

    Squibba was killed off for a non vote, death by cliff.

    The Wolf contacted me that night with:
    I'm going to go for Powerjugs, think he's a Mason but not 100%.
    Think it'll be game over tomorrow.

    The Guardan protected nornironhorn for the 2nd time!

    Day 9:

    A much quieter day today saw the villagers swing towards Optimistic, herded mostly by PhilippineOrn. I feel that when Opti is shown to be good then PO could be in trouble tomorrow.


    I think we all know what happened next... PO was taken out by darave, but was found out on Day 10.

    Great game. I am determined to do better next time.
  28. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    It's all rather complicated. Could we just a list of who was who?
  29. 352

    352 Moderator

    Fair point haha
  30. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I want to know who to subconsciously suspect of being a evil wolf for the next year
  31. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    You should be proud, PO - the only Guardian to have successfully saved someone!
  32. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Stupid **** didn't save me though, did he? I voted for 3 bad players in a row and identified Darave about 2 days later.
  33. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Why kill me? :( Was my dog OK?
  34. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    It was personal.
  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Why was cude protected twice, night 2 abd night 3. I thought it was not allowed.
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