Watford Fc 1-1 Newcastle United - 25/09/2021

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by reids, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Well no, because if he comes in and plays well, which I sincerely hope he does, that will demonstrate he has been well coached.
     
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  2. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I agree, but this doesn’t mean the coach is making the wrong choice at the moment.

    I’m also concerned that our midfield trio seem so easy to play through and so unable to string any passes together. We don’t have good enough defenders anywhere to withstand that pressure.
     
  3. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    If it’s the club hierarchy exerting influence to play an inferior player over a better one I’m going to ask you why on Earth would they do that?
     
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  4. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I know it in vogue at the moment to bemoan Louza's fee but presumably we didn't cut a £10m cheque up front to Nantes? I wouldn't be surprised if the fee was well spread out and so the impact of signing him on our transfer budget in the window just gone must not be as great as some think?

    (I accept this is also guesswork by me).
     
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  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    With our history we probably won’t pay any of it then they complain and we counter that by saying we have !

    :D
     
  6. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Then you are just trolling. Ok.
     
  7. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I guess you can say the same about all our signings though, not to mention our outgoings. For example, did Everton pay us up front for Doucoure last season, or are we also getting paid for him in stages? So the Louza fee, whether in stages or not is still nearly £10m that needs to be covered and accounted for.
     
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  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    And your view could be considered the same. If he comes in and plays well you’ll just assume Munoz was an idiot or mentally ill rather than he was well managed.

    The most obvious explanation in this is that the coaching staff have their reasons and in their position, knowing what they know, you would make the same choice.
     
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  9. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    The most obvious explanation would be that they are making a mistake in playing a clearly inferior player.

    Only your mental gymnastics would allow for some hidden issue that means that playing a man so blatantly out of his depth as Catchart can be justified.

    And to take it further, even once you are proved wrong, which you can foresee if/when 18000 watford fans get their wish to see Cathcart dropped for Sierralta, you will still claim it was the right decision to play Cathcart because - reasons.

    It's really quite simple. Catchart is awful and should not be playing. Sierralta is not perfect but is far superior. That's it. Your generous licence to the decisions being made is completley unfounded.
     
  10. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Again, I watched MOTD and see bad defending by most clubs. It is what happens. But we let in 1 goal yesterday, and 18 were conceded elsewhere, most of, if not all, can be contributed to defensive mistakes by anyone determined to do so.
     
  11. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Exactly. I dont know what it is, but there simply has to be a reason Sierralta isnt included in the 1st XI and yesterday the squad.

    If it fits with the theory some have that Munoz is an idiot, then that's what gets trolled around.
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We the fans don't get the full picture but it's clear something is off.

    Sierralta didn’t play in Pre season either or against Villa/Brighton then starts 3 game before scoring an unfortunate own goal v Wolves ..
     
  13. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Thing is, it's not oversight. We can see from the noises being made at the club and the activity of the past 10-12 windows that they just don't give a **** about center backs.

    To the point where it's not unreasonable that we cannot even field 2 crap ones at some point this season. With the ACON it's not inconceivable or even particularly unlikely that we will have to make do and mend with someone out of position there for a game or more because of the complete lack of cover, let alone the desperate lack of quality.

    But nevermind because the club have data and stats up the Wazoo and wouldn't be making a blatantly stupid judgement about this.
     
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  14. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Why the **** is this guy spouting this online? This sort of stuff is for behind doors discussions, crazy.
     
  15. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It's not a theory.
     
  16. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    But unless Sierralta is injured (which seems highly unlikely as he played in the cup a few days ago) then most of the reasons he could possibly be out of the squad because of Catchart make Munoz an idiot, it’s the only logical conclusion, people aren’t saying it just to be unnecessarily nasty about the bloke.

    Furthermore, being picked for us in the early rounds of the league cup is generally a back handed compliment that says you’re not a first choice player.
     
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  17. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Newcastle have played Villa, West Ham, Southampton, Leeds, us and Man Utd. Not a tough run of games really and they would have hoped for a win. I obviously wanted 3 points but not losing wasn't a terrible result in the grand scheme.

    And before Norwich... If we had lost both games we would be in the bottom 3, a point off bottom placed Burnley.
     
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  18. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    If there's no factual or compounding evidence. Yes it is.
     
  19. I don't think that was the case. He was central from pretty much the start from what I could see. Think I even said that to the people around me in the 5th minute that he was more central than usual and should've been hugging the touchline much more as there was loads of space out wide.

    Seemed baffling to me that he looked like he was playing as a central centre forward with no space around him or in behind their defence rather than a winger out wide.
     
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  20. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    There is plenty of evidence.

    His gibberish interviews
    His team line ups and 'tactics'
    His substitutions
    His panicked, little boy lost face on the touchline as he is baffled about how to affect games
    His career track record
     
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  21. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Yep, it's a long term problem. I can see the logic insofar as attackers/midfielders usually have greater resale value, but the fact we've never spent more than £5m(?) on a CB, despite 5 years of PL money is bizarre.
     
  22. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Thought that too.

    Looked like a post match rant type tweet.

    Or trying to curry favour with fans by agreeing it wasn’t a good performance.
     
  23. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    According to AL, Sierralta was dropped. No injuries, just dropped.
     
  24. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    It's ******** logic. Ok, signing 2 good 8m odd centre backs instead of Sarr might not have been as fun, but it would almost certainly have been enough to keep us up. We would have a couple of hundred million more than we do now.

    Basically it's a symptom of the Pozzo's real motivation, which is player trading over team success. Which is why I hate them as owners.
     
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  25. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Thats all circumstantial and opinion. I'll need proof of his GCSE failure, 1st hand witnesses of him driving the wrong way on a roundabout and a picture of him with his shoes on the wrong way round or clothing back to front.
     
  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    But because of Cathcart we should have let in five and were only saved by Foster, who by the way is also apparently **** and shouldn’t be playing.
     
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  27. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Does he have a certificate confirming that he does not have donkey brains?
     
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  28. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Do you?
     
  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It’s baffling that we didn’t sign a centre back (ok not baffling as we usually neglect this area) but not baffling that the coach chooses between the players available.
     
  30. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    His career track record is a league title, a promotion, and a mid table PL position. The substitutions, line ups and tactics led to the above. That's the only evidence we have to go off and it's all pretty much success.

    He does say so random things in interviews, especially in the early days when his English was worse.

    The kids on the forum have started calling him Xiscy Donkey Brains
     
  31. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    It's pretty simplistic stuff, some of it a bit silly, I would say; but I can't see that posting any of that stuff in public is remotely controversial or secret. What's the problem?
     
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  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Do you not recognise that you make a lot of assumptions about Munoz because of his physical appearance?

    I reckon if he looked like some maturing, brainy hunk, rather than Terry Scott playing a schoolboy, opinions of him would be different even if the outcomes were the same.
     
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  33. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Next week it will be Duxbury, then Gino the following week. This could be a sign of our owners finally waking up and getting closer to the fans perhaps? It's probably just a message he posted in frustration after King's winning goal was rightly ruled
    out for offside. But, we can live in hope that it could be a ripple in the water of change.
     
  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Does he speculate about why? Not that he will know, but it’ll give us all something to get all frothy about and theorise to death for the next month.
     
  35. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    You may be correct but if you are then it begs the question that even the small hen in its late forties has asked,"cluck,cluck,cluck,cluck?"*
    *"Why didn't we sign a good centre half?"
     

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