[CONFIRMED] Richarlison Sell-on Clause?

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by hornetboy1, Feb 13, 2019.

  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    This isn’t true.
     
  2. toffeeblue9

    toffeeblue9 First Year Pro

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  3. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I'm hearing that may not be the case.
     
  4. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Surely he's on a relegation wage cut or some kind of 'chubby' release clause for breaking the Mick Quinn obesity index?
     
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  5. toffeeblue9

    toffeeblue9 First Year Pro

  6. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    The WO article posted 22 mins ago says "The Hornets would be entitled to 10 per cent of anything above the £40m they received from the Toffees in July 2018", so only on the profit, not 10% of the fee.
     
  7. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    That is the normal sell on fee a percentage of the profit the club gets, NOT a percentage of the whole amount they sell the player for.

    EG If it was £40m that we sold Richarlison to Everton for and they sell him on for £50m then we would we would get a £1m sell on fee.
     
  8. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    As I understand it that means we'd get 10% of the profit from the fee, not from the total fee.

    Hope that clears that up
     
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  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    What about if we sold him for £42.67m and Everton now sell him on for £57.89m?
     
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  10. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    So they will sell him for £40m plus a load of hidden extras so we will never see the 10% ?
     
  11. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Why is anyone bothered about the sell on clause. We got £15 million too much for him in the first place.
     
  12. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Not if they sell him for £50m+, we didn't.
     
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  13. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Does anybody know if it’s 10% of the whole fee or just above £40m?
     
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  14. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    We get 10% more for every pitch invasion
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    And lighter thrown back into the crowd ?
     
  16. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Whole fee. Take that to the bank.
     
  17. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    It’s the whole fee divided by the square root of the profit, times the number of season tickets sold.
     
  18. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    My guess is as good as Ginos.
     
  19. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Anyone got an idea as to how a sell on clause would work if there was a player exchange involved to?

    According to reports, Spurs are interested in signing Pervis Estupinan but are offering Lo Celso as part of the deal. Don't even know if we have a clause but presumably it would only work on a cash basis rather than including the value of any exchanged players?
     
  20. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    So is there a sell on fee then?
     
  21. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes per social media. Not sure of the basis. Seems to depend on the £:€ rate.
     
  22. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

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  23. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    It is 10% of the profit but we pay a 20% consulting fee to Mogi calculated on the whole fee
     
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  24. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    I don’t know exactly how the details of add-ons are disclosed between clubs, but if we have a 10% profit sell-on clause, that applies to all future profit.

    That prevents the workaround of selling for £1 - giving us nothing - with £50m extra based on turning up to training once.
    It also means that if he goes to Spurs for £50m and Everton have a 10% profit sell-on of their own, then we are entitled to 10% of what they receive - or effectively 1% of the profit made on his next move.
     
  25. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Can someone break this down into football terms please?
     
  26. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    You can’t include players in the same deal. Has to be 2 separate deals contractually.
     
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  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    They're disclosed to the FA, PL/EFL and if it's an international transfer to FIFA too. Even the most secret squirrel undisclosed transfer fee is known in full to the various authorities and they can enforce them if there's a complaint.
     
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  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Except there are some on here who are adamant that we somehow keep our dealings with Udinese beyond the realms of the authorities.
     
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  29. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I’ve been told with great authority that we don’t have a sell on fee by someone from the very reputable club Everton, so I refuse to believe it.
     
  30. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    So we all agree that we have a sell-on clause whereby we have to pay Everton 10% of any fee they receive for Richarlison so long as the buying club is not based in Argentina or begins with the letter 'V'?

    Glad that's all sorted.
     
  31. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Or that even when a fee is disclosed in the accounts, money doesn't move from Watford to Udinese (and vice versa), even though that would mean the accounts wouldn't balance.
     
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  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    A
    accounts always balance :). If money doesn’t move the inter co balance will just increase.
     
  33. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Point is we buy Pusetto. He is disclosed af £8m in accounts. He is capitalised at £8m. So even if terms are we pay in 10 years then we owe that money in the balance sheet. When he depreciates we lose money in our P&L each year from an accounting viewpoint.
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes any player we buy is written off though the P&L account over the length of their contract. I was just responding to the accounts not balancing point.
     
  35. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The point someone made that Pussetto was just a gift even after being disclosed in the accounts isn’t possible because he will depreciate and we will have a debt. But thanks for piping up on my poorly worded explanation.

    People say the most idiotic things on Twitter but I’ll always remember to make my posts more accurate in future!
     
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