Manager For The Championship Season 22/23

Sounds like some of the discourse on here (not on this thread, thankfully)

 

Quite frankly I'm getting pissed off with threads like this one talking about us being in the Championship next season as we still have every chance of being a PL club

Here we are talking about our next manager when Roy has only been in charge for THREE GAMES!!! The thing is that many of you guys talking about this are the same one's who constantly moan about our high turn over of managers, yet here you are calling for a new manager already, how ******* ridiculous is that

As for other doom, gloom and quite frankly piss taking threads on here saying that we are already down, how can you guys claim to be supporters, you should be ashamed of yourselves slagging off the the team you claim to support

OK we are in a **** position right now, but we are not yet cut adrift from at least three other teams and others who could yet finish below us. We still have enough points on the table that could get us out of this **** and who's to say we won't get them.

Just look at Newcastle and Norwich they have managed to win around 3 games each in the last few weeks after being in an even worse barrel of **** than we are at present. So why are some of you guys so convinced that we cannot do the same or even better? Especially as we should hopefully have all our best players plus our new recruits available very soon for the rest of the season, which should give us a much better chance of pulling clear of this mire and keep us in the PL.

So lets stop all this negative thinking and try to help our boys get back on track instead basically writing them off. I don't know if any of them read what we post on here, but if any of them do we are not exactly helping them with their morale are we!!

SO COME ON GUYS LETS REALLY GIVE OUR GUYS A TWELTH MAN FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON

THE ORNS ARE STAYING UP​

 

Would they ever sack themselves though ?

 

Brilliant.

 

Hi HB1, all that and you never said who you want in charge in the championship next season?

 

Shut up, mate.

 

Yep. Bring da pashun to sleepy Herts.

 

Disgusting language. Please apologise.

 

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It seems like the usual pearl clutching precious little violets have been spoilt rotten since 2012.

Grow up.

We haven't got the finances to compete in the top league, get over it.

The way some parts of this forum bleed on as if we are the next Bury, Portsmouth, Coventry, Macclesfield, Oldham etc... is frankly embarrassing.

 

Hi Scott, when is the next fans forum? We’ve all got a few questions for you.

 

What does? Asking who people would like to manage us next season should we get relegated this season? If you’re going to go on a rant like this at least quote the posts your commenting on or write on a relevant thread.

I somewhat agree with you. Obviously we are not in the state of the clubs you described and are average debt levels are very unlikely to take us there. I think based on club size/finances etc bouncing between the two divisions seems about right but it is also clear that mismanagement over the last few years has seen us not maximising our resources as we had over the preceding years and if the ownership doesn’t actually “learn its lessons” we could sink back to being a mid-table championship side rather than an enlightened/smart club doing things well. That would disappointing and I don’t think it’s spoilt to hope that we don’t go down that route.

I think the more critical part of the fan base is split between those who genuinely (if mistakenly) believe we are en route to financial oblivion and ruin and those who feel that football fans can have what to complain about prior to financial ruin - I (and I am not really in that camp at all and am generally more positive than most) think most are in the latter category.

But again - don’t really know who/what you’re having a go at here. Feel free to say who you would like to have in charge next season if/when we go down to what you view as our natural level.

 

3 trophy points out of a possible 113

 

Yeah, we didn't even have a club in 1880!!!!!!!

 

What does this even mean?

 

The ironic thing about this post is that what with us being essentially relegated before Winter is out and now worse than Norwich, a figure of fun for so long, your stance is at least as daft if not more so than anybody with the extreme negative view you’re calling out.

 

I don't have all the answers, I just think some perspective is needed. It's an awful season but relegation isn't going to liquidate us as a club.

 

It's not. Just saying chill out. See my above post.

 

That sounds like a good idea, but too sensibly thought out and GP doesn't do sensible...

 

But nobody of sane mind has your view anymore, it’s no different to the extreme negative views you’re calling out. Money of course plays a part, but if you’re saying it is purely down to money then you are no different to the people you’re criticising.

 

Does it? Honestly sounds like an awful idea to me. Zola has failed at every job he has taken since leaving us and while both Ray and Dean Austin are good coaches they have never worked with Zola and we have no indication that they would build a good work relationship and understand each other the way they would need to.

No one at all has said that on this thread. As far as I am aware I don’t think anyone has said that at all anywhere (even though some have said our situation isn’t so much better than some clubs with higher profile financial issues - Reading, Derby etc - which I agree seems implausible).

 

The way some fans go on about it, I wouldn't be so sure. That's my point.

 

False equivalence.

 

Derby and Reading aren’t really comparable. They both ended up with points deductions for breaching FFP because their owners had overspent their own money, and then Derby a further points deduction for going into admin because Mel Morris’s gamble had failed in sinking £200m of his own money to try and get to the PL so he didn’t want to carry on sinking his own money in when the points deductions would send them in the other direction.

Gino has never pumped his own money in, he’s borrowed against all future income and then spent that. We are only in a better position than Reading or Derby whilst we have PL TV money or probably year 1 of 2 of the parachute money. As soon as we don’t get promoted at the first attempt, and very definitely if we fail at the second (you only get 2 years PP if you get relegated after one season) I’d suggest we’ll instantly be in a far more precarious position than either of those clubs at the point they hit year 3 of overspending.

 

Yes, sometimes people don’t like what they see in the mirror.

 

Theres no need for that. We have different opinions - both want the same outcome.

 

Andy Parslow with boothroyd as his assistant pulling the strings

 

I'd like to see a manager that we can relate to (as we did with GT and Zola) but it totally depends on GPs vision and if he's ever going to change his ways.
GT came in to rebuild a team long term and he was quite well backed with low cost players he specifically wanted and managed with great drive. That won't happen now.
Zola got the best out of a ragtail bunch of decent players including a brilliant Abdi and a very eager Challobah, and we were good to watch most of the time (excluding p/off defeat!).

So to me, if GP were to change direction it surely has to be the rebuild of a young keen bunch of players that a good young manager can mould into a decent team, but would mean having the patience to actually include the likes of TDB, Hungbo etc into the playing squad.
I think the biggest change most of us want is having a keen energetic bunch of players giving it 100pct for 90 minutes every game.
If we somehow stay up this season I'd just ask Roy and Ray to stay on for now and bring in a few players they request (Zaha anyone).....

 

Bullcrap. There is no way whatsoever, 100%, that Slot would be more likely to join us in the Champ than Ange. He'd probably reject us right now even if we were mid-table in the PL.

Slot seems the likely favourite to take the Ajax job when ten Hag leaves there in the summer. He was supposedly considered his "most suitable replacement" by the Ajax board of directors before he joined Feyenoord and I doubt anything's changed on that front in the last couple of years. He'll obviously have his eyes on that instead.

https://www.allaboutajax.com/2019/1...ot-to-replace-erik-ten-hag-in-case-he-leaves/

He's also never played or managed outside of Netherlands and is probably happy to stay put. The Eredivisie is a better league than the SPL as well.

He's younger and likely has a higher reputation already than Postecoglou after doing brilliantly with AZ.

There is zero chance whatsoever he would leave Feyenoord for the Champ.

Postecoglou meanwhile would have zero loyalty to Celtic and the SPL. The SPL is largely just a stepping stone for English football. His contract is also up for renegotiation in the summer. I also doubt he'll get many better offers.

 

Neither is very likely it must be said. I just found it odd that you, having seemed so certain that we could tempt Ange seem similarly certain that we can’t tempt Slot. The greater visibility of Scotland to PL sides means that Ange will be on the radar of PL sides in way that Slot won’t be; who was the last manager to join the PL (without prior PL experience or CL exploits) from the Eredivisie? But you’re right that Slot could well be headed to Ajax (although the Feyernoord-Ajax rivalry may undermine that prospect).

Worth nothing that the current Rangers manager is the former Feyernoord manager.

I don’t think we can speak with such certainty about these managers’ aspirations for their next steps either. How do you know Postecoglou will show Celtic no loyalty? Or that Slot doesn’t have ambitions to manage in England?

 

I know that if someone who says such on this forum gets shouted down , but I think the Pozzo player recruitment policy is generally good.

When compared with nearly all clubs our size we have had more successes than average and our failures tend to be low cost/high risk punts, some of which have paid off , most haven’t which is to be expected .
Our expensive failures are relatively low in number . Gray and Success . Maybe Peryera who was class but but not suited to EPL.

Where they have failed , in my opinion, is in manager recruitment . These have nearly all been of the low cost/high risk nature . Complete unknowns or faded has beens .
This , they would argue , is because they see the manager as nothing more than a coach that is as expendable as a player .
Trouble with that philosophy is that there is only one manager/head coach but 25 expendable players .
If a player fails he is easy to replace with minimal impact , if a manager fails he affects the whole squad .
And so a situation of lurching from one failing manager to the next becomes the norm .

The adverse effect of this is that we aren’t an attractive proposition to any managers that aren’t a high risk option . Young upcoming coaches who require the need of time and stability to implement their style . A younger coach needs more time because they are learning . Experience brings brevity but doesn’t reward innovation .

A period of stability and loyalty to a manager is required .

I don’t give a flying fxck what the lazy footballing media say about us sacking a manager every 10 minutes , but the feeling that as fans ( and I mean proper fans , not the fake fans on this forum that actually hope we lose just so they can be proven right ) we are part of a club that is stable , loyal and has integrity .

 

I recognise that Derby and Reading are not the best analogies, yes but I disagree with your conclusion that we would be worse off than those sides following the conclusion of parachute payments. Those clubs maintained wages:turnover ratios of 150-200% for a number of years. Ours has been 60-70% over the last few years. Yes we have a debt burden but it is not unsustainably high.

There was a good article by Kieran Maguire (albeit light on detail) a few weeks ago discussing the financial prospects of various sides should they get relegated and he thinks our finances are fine and Swiss Ramble thinks our finances are fine - most football finance experts believe we would be better equipped than many to handle relegation. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....blip-Leeds-Newcastle-bounce-happens-DOWN.html