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Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Who were the 'guys' and did they expect that? That's what I want to know. Don't leave us on such a cliffhanger.
     
  2. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Gordon, Gilbey, Beefeater, Tanqueray...
     
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  3. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I nominate this for the 'Daftest Question of the Week' Award!
    For clarity, I am very much against capital punishment
     
  4. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    No, it's just an opinion based on my 'lived experience'
     
  5. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Is that really experience or just perception? If the poll is correct that 50% of people in the UK are against it and working class people are by far the largest class, then many working class people are against it.

    The problem is that someone like 30p becomes a media shorthand for the working class when he’s not terribly representative of anyone but nationalistic older white men, a large and noisy group, but a minority nevertheless.
     
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  7. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  9. "Well I went over Concertive when Maggie Fatcher come in. I di-unt agree wiv sellin the cahncil ahses, but it got me on the ladder, but now we ain't got no ahses".

    We get the government we deserve.

    Yes I am a patronising snob, but these ****s have ****ed the country for my kids and I despise them.
     
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  10. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  11. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The one thing Truss is legendary for is an utter lack of self-awareness.

    She has clearly compartmentalised her disastrous term in office and subsequent removal in the same way Dallas dealt with Bobby Ewing’s death.

    She’s just going to carry on as if she is Prime Minister until her dying day. She’ll eventually be doing it in a care home and the staff will simply learn to accommodate her fantasy because it’s easier that way.
     
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  12. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Ooooooh look what they've found down the back of the sofa:

    Hunt faces calls for bigger public sector pay rises after surprise budget surplus

    but as ever there's some small print attached:

     
  13. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I think this applies to most of those tories:

    "A man who doesn't know the truth is just an idiot, but a man who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a crook."


    Bertolt Brecht, Galileo
     
  14. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

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  15. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

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  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Kuenssberg has an almost legendary inability to stick it to the Tories. On her show on Sunday, Wendy Morton, Chief Whip for Truss, spoke against ‘divisive politics’.

    A normal person would have taken an inward gasp of breath and asked her if she was comfortable with the Tory Party’s divisive behaviour that has lead it to label almost everyone who doesn’t support them as ‘enemies of the people’ or part of the ‘anti-growth coalition’ or ‘woke activists’. But not Laura.
     
  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The Marie Antoinette Party rolls on.

    Minister Therese Coffey suggests people work longer hours during the cost of living crisis and eat turnips instead of tomatoes during the shortage.

    Try that in a Sandwich.
     
  18. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    From henceforth, I do name her Minister Therese Coffey-Cake.
     
  19. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Qu’ils mangent de brioche?
     
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  20. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    But but… the BBC is pro-Labour and LK is the worst culprit! :rolleyes:
     
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  21. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    WTF have I just heard on R4 about the WhatsApp messages "...Dominic Cummings explaining to Johnson how percentages work..."??????????????????????????????????????????????
     
  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The first thing to wonder about Hancock’s sharing of Whatsapp messages is what on Earth did he think would happen if he gave them to anti-lockdown nutcase and all round big mouth Isabel Oakeshott?
     
  23. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I think Hancock's was already renowned for his lack of judgement but this is a new low.

    How was he ever considered good enough for high office?
     
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  24. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Presumably though this is the done thing isn't it when you ghost write or co-write a book with someone? She apparently confirmed she'd signed an NDA too.

    I've no sympathy for Hancock but do find it a bit curious that Oakeshott, who I think has done that co-writing role before with Tory types, has clearly decided that's something she has no intention of doing in future. Maybe that's just a calculated judgement that they're heading out of office imminently and there's not going to be a big market for a book about the inner workings of Grant Shapps or Therese Coffey.
     
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  25. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The odd thing is why either of them thought they would be a good fit.

    My guess is that she and Tice thought these revelations would be rocket fuel for his fringe weirdo party Reform UK.

    She did it for love m8.
     
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  26. Oakeshott who already had form for using confidential info to grass up Chris Huhne and Vicki Price leading to them going to jail, (again citing public interest) and also for the dubious Cameron pig's head story. At least her "journalism" career must now be over.
     
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  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Not a chance. There is always another hand out for her, Toby Young or Laurence Fox or any other of the ruling class’s favourite creeps.

    Lord Ashcroft will certainly have a commission for her.
     
  28. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    She is definitely doing this for the money and her own political agenda. She doesn't give a flying fig about "public interest".
     
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  29. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Surely no one is naive enough to buy that? But it may give her a protection against legal action by Hancock, I am sure that is at least in part why she is pedalling this line.
     
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  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah, I can imagine her, her editors and the Telegraph's in house counsel had some lengthy meetings poring over the NDA and deciding what the best line was to take by way of explanation. Not sure 'public interest' will override an NDA, though obviously the Telegraph could pay whatever damages she ended up owing Hancock as a result.
     
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  31. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    I must profess not to know enough about NDAs to be sure here but there would be a strong countervailing freedom of expression claim, surely (certainly for the newspaper, less clearly for her)?
     
  32. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I don't know enough either but pretty sure they're essentially private contracts between two individuals in this sort of situation and so unless there's a public interest clause I can see her struggling. I suppose the DT has an eye on claims of defamation, privacy breaches and data protection etc as it wasn't a party to the NDA.
     
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  33. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Risky for Hancock to litigate though. The Telegraph, Tice etc have deep pockets and he will simply keep it all in the public eye. He can’t get everyone to unsee the messages, so he could only get financial reward/revenge.

    I imagine they simply imagine/bank on he won’t bother.

    The others involved could claim to have had their personal data misused, which is when the Telegraph and Oakeshyte would need to rely on public interest.
     
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  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Interestingly (or not) I've just finished this: Jacob's ladder : the unauthorised biography of Jacob Rees-Mogg by "Ashcroft, Michael A.". I can't make up my mind if it was ghosted by Oakeshott or, judging by some of the 'accounts' of Oxford life, they managed to get Louise Mensch 'in' between a couple of her 'episodes'...
     
  35. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I wouldn't be so sure there are massive financial 'shenanigans' going on with the Barclay owners/family at the moment. I'm sure Tice could get his Russian handlers to underwrite it...
     

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