Academy And Under-23s

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by wfc78, Aug 14, 2012.

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  1. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    TBF it's tough as a prem club to bring players through when every time a diamond appears we lose them for peanuts. Average U23s won't be good enough to step into the prem team.
     
  2. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Quite simply because the only few who might be good enough for the first team get nicked before they're old enough to play for us, as could happen yet again with this lad.
     
  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    He seems a good future prospect, but knowing how we treat some of our youth expect him to be loaned out until he can make the first team then get sold to another side for a cash injection.
     
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  4. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Wow that was pretty impressive.

    Forget left back, looks like we should be starting him up front THIS season!
     
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  5. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Let’s hope we get a decent fee when one of the big clubs poach him !
     
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  6. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Give him a Pro contract and get him training with the 1st team squad now, then maybe we won't lose him to Man City or their like.
     
  7. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    To put that another way, with him in the side we might not lose to Man City this season. :D
     
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  8. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    If we're really lucky we might get a five figure sum!
     
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  9. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    Most of our best academy graduates like Hoban, O'Nien, Murray, Lewis, Mason etc are now kicking around in the lower English leagues, Scotland or Ireland. No indication any of them were good enough.

    Sancho was good enough to make the step up so Man City made sure he didn't do it here.

    Since the reforms, unless you are a cat 1 academy it is pretty much pointless putting any effort into the academy which is why the Pozzos have not done so. There is a reason clubs like Huddersfield and Brentford have closed their academies - they just run at a loss and you haemorrhage all your decent players to the big clubs before they are even old enough to sit on the bench for the first team.
     
  10. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Did you ask why doesn't post anymore? Always enjoyed his updates
     
  11. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I don't think you can until he's 17
     
  12. reids

    reids First Team

    Just taking some time out.
     
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  13. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Exactly. You helpfully prove my point. There's no effort made in youth development at the club and absolutely no path to the first team so we shouldn't be surprised that when we stumble across a decent one that they have no reason to stay. Because, you know, they have to actually decide to leave.
     
  14. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Liverpool rumoured to be interested last week and then a few days ago an academy football account on Twatter said he's signed for City. So basically we'll never see him play for us.
     
  15. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    We are top the league say we are top the league
     
  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes a good Finnish.
     
  17. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    At that age, you could have the World's top stylist cut your hair and you'd still look like your mum did it with a bowl and a set of shears.

    Just shouldn't be put on national media until grown up and done something.
     
  18. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    Any really good academy prospect will leave the club before playing for us unfortunately
     
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  19. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

  20. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Dunno... it makes the academy look good if they can raise a youngster's profile like that. Probably helps with the sales pitch to the next lot coming through.
     
  22. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Don't blame him. If you speak to him pass on my best wishes and hope to see him back soon
     
  23. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    This is one of those that’ll pop up again in 10 years time and we’ll say “what on earth happened to this fella, he looked phemomenal”.

    Low and behold, he’s playing for Bishop’s Stortford.
     
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  24. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    A pro contract prevents that stupid EPPP rules kicking in. Sign him up ASAP then we can set our price. I will take some solace in England crashing out of the Euros by remembering Southgate was a vocal supporter of it!
     
  25. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He will know this so he’s clearly not going to sign a contract with us is he ? Unless it has a £50k release clause.
     
  26. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Depends, doesn't it. Some people are driven purely by greed. Maybe he has more sensible people advising him.
     
  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Maybe but generally it seems they don’t. Parents want to be able to say their kid plays for a top team not “little old Watford”. The player’s best interests don’t often feature in the decision making.
    Will never play for us.
     
  28. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Why wouldn’t it be in the players best interests to go to a club like City anyway? Ok, when they get a few years older they might not get straight into the first team, but they’ll immediately be exposed to better players and coaches than if they stayed at Watford.
     
  29. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

  30. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    First team football. Depends on your outlook as a player. I was never a pro but had I been I would liked to have played first team football and build my career that way. That’s not to say the lure of City or United isn’t big and as you say they probably have better coaches but as a route to the first team a smaller club would be my choice.
     
  31. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    "...was..."
     
  32. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

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  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    This news and the Rose news are still just part of our masterplan for Galvez to have the opportunity to be second choice in a couple of seasons. #itk
     
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  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    When we buy him back from Dortmund for £80m ?
     
  35. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Sadly, yes, because the Pozzos downgraded the academy.
     

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