Valerien Ismael - Manager

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Cthulhu, May 10, 2023.

  1. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Who?!
     
  2. Aylesburyorn

    Aylesburyorn Academy Graduate

    Dean whitehead
     
  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Exactly……Dean, Andy, Fred…….who gives a t0ss anymore?
     
  4. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    He will only be here until October.
     
  5. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    When his time as our second head coach of the season ends?
     
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  6. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    And we could have had Farioli. Uff.
     
  7. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Give Farioli a break.
     
  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Until October.
     
  9. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    I tend to agree.
    I said this in the past, we have two years in the Championship before all the money runs out.

    My predictions:
    • Ismael sacked before 10 or 12 games.
    • We finish in the bottom half of the Championship after flirting with relegation.
    • We apply to go in to administration.
    • The Pozzo family sell the club.

    I am looking at the 2023/24 season not with excitement of a fresh start or new beginning, but one of trepidation and the anticipation of the club imploding.

    We have been spiralling out of control for the past 4 seasons. Is this the season that we finally crash?

    I am still a fan and always will be, but these are very grim times.
     
  10. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Aren't the two things in bold mutually exclusive? If Pozzo puts the club into administration then he won't be selling it, the administrators would and then only for the benefit of the secured creditors (I'm not sure if Pozzo is one).
     
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  11. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    This.
    “Football debts” and secured third parties would be priorities. I doubt anyone else would get a penny after administration.
     
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  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Mr Pozzo won’t want to give up on the money that is owned to him which I believe is what a lot of our debt is ?
     
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He will only get that back if the club is sold for more than he is owed.
     
  14. We hate 48

    We hate 48 Reservist

    Gino via Diversify Sport Investment SARL (luxembourg entity) has loaned c£52m to Hornets Investment Ltd "HIL" who in turn have on lent this to the football club.

    Watford football club gave security to HIL back in 2016 for any loans it made. So yes Gino is a secured creditor at June 22.

    However HIL will rank behind the majority of the other secured creditors of the football club as they have specific security over Parachute money due, transfers fees recevable and the ground. Of course the other " secured creditors" are transfer fees payable as these are football related debts.

    So i think the secured creditors at June 22 are
    1/ football related debts-£54m
    2/ Loans against transfer fees receivable-£35m
    3/ Secured creditors (Close brothers and Macquarie) £77m
    4/ "Gino" £52m

    Total £218m
     
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  15. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    For a second I wasn’t sure if you meant Wilder or Ismael, neither of which would surprise me!
     
  16. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    I had £182m as debts, but always understood it was more.
    The loans/transfer figure takes care of this.
    Thanks
     
  17. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    You shouldn't have done some dodgy dealing with a Belgian agent then!
     
  18. BeersThen

    BeersThen Reservist

    You had the right numbers, just in the wrong order. Might be £812m soon.
     
  19. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Hope you’re wrong.
     
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  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    It’s ok apparently because it could be worse if we didn’t sell players..

    “Give Gino a break” !
     
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  21. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    Yes, if we give Mogi Bayat another season. Unless he is in jail
     
  22. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    It is more....
     
  23. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    The financial part is beyond me but if your figures are correct we're totally effed.
     
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  24. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Have you factored in the loan fees though?!
     
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  25. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    So who is looking forward to another season of players not giving a poo, no playing identity, 3-4 different head coaches, lack of communication, a clamp down on any dissent in the ground by jumped up failed traffic warden types and some likelihood of admin!
    Still we can all watch the latest fairytale on match of the day
     
  26. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Yep, it's all shaping up perfectly for more of the same.

    All we're missing is seeing who the random players from across the globe are, who will wear the shirt and strut round the pitch half arsed.
     
  27. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    Predict next season to be even worse...

    Championship will be far more competitive with Southampton and Leeds (Leics in my view will struggle with players leaving and debt) and strong teams coming up from League 1. Watford on the other hand will need a clear out of dead wood with limited if any budget to replace. Then, in April, our accounts to June 2023 will be released which will cause mass panic

    Still....be careful what you wish for
     
  28. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    His coaching team has been announced, with a nice surprise of Omer Riza being promoted/moved up from Lead u21 Coach to First Team Assistant Coach.

    A few things from that - recognition for the job Riza has been doing at u21 level and possible continuation between the u21s and the 1st team for the upcoming season.

    No surprise with Dean Whitehead also coming in.

    Full confirmed list; Assistant Head Coach - Dean Whitehead. First-Team Assistant Coach - Omer Riza. Video Analyst - Jack Riley.
     
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  29. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Video analyst? Bloody YouTubers get everywhere.

    Is Omer Riza the Watford legend we were promised?
     
  30. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    He will be when he's appointed to be the next head coach after a stint as caretaker through October.
     
  31. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    He looks more like a club bouncer here than anything to do with football.

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  32. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I don't know, one thing we can say about the Pozzo era for better or for worse is that no two seasons are the same but that could mean that next season will be worse rather than better.

    The only good thing about the season just gone is that we avoided the minor ignominy of a bottom half finish, but that might have forced Gino and co to seriously rethink and reshape their strategy and approach more than they will as things stand.
     
  33. reids

    reids First Team

    Been given access to some new data. I don't know what some of it means (no idea what the offensive impact and defensive impact are in relation to for instance). But some of it is interesting nonetheless.

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  34. LF24

    LF24 Academy Graduate

    Thanks for sharing @reids - Interesting how often Adi Hutter at Frankfurt comes up as a similar coach.

    Do you have any understanding of what the 'bait the press' style looks like?
     
  35. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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