Who Do You Hate More? Bournemouth Or Luton?

Probably L*ton, seeing as Bournemouth are far more likely to be our promotion rivals, but if it gets down to the end of the season and both teams are fiddling around in mid-table, I'd rather L*ton lose

 

Would rather a chasm opened up in the middle of the pitch before spontaneously closing up again, trapping all of their players.

To actually answer your question, it's annoying and I don't think it's a fair question to ask now. I don't want the scum to win because obvious reasons. I don't want Bournemouth to win because they're competing with us for the promotion places.

The better way to word it is if we got promoted this year and Bmuff and them stayed in the Championship, who would you rather won? With that caveat in mind, Bournemouth.

 

This should not even be a question. Sort of rivalries can develop due to performance levels being the same which is really what is going on with Bournemouth. Man Utd and Arsenal were never considered heated rivals until the Wenger/Fergusson days. This ended up more about what went on on the pitch and between the managers as much as anything.

Our rivalry with Luton is both geographical, as most true rivalries should be, and the fact their is genuine hate between a significant number of fans. Don’t be fooled by what went on on the pitch a few weeks back, if COVID wasn’t a thing, Taylor’s statue would have been targeted, parts of the town would have been trashed and seats would have been ripped up especially with us winning and bossing the game.


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Yep and that made me feel very dirty just writing that. However, I still didn't caveat it properly. If by some freak occurrence towards the end of the season we find them and Bournemouth competing with us for promotion, a draw is likely to be the best result. All swings and roundabouts.

 

Crystal Palace

 

The Scum are always going to be unconditional ****s.

The others will come and go. Everton for blatant sabotage, Bournemouth for surrounding refs, diving and getting away with it, and Palace for Andy Johnson and Wilf.

To quote Quique, "in this moment" I ****ing hate Bournemouth the most and we play them again before the Scum for some reason so after 27th Feb, depending on the level of Muff ****iness, I may go back to hating the Scum most.

 

Look at the fans.

Bournemouth fans I've come across in life and at games have been very much like Brighton fans, just decent people who love to talk football.
Lu*on fans are just sc*m. All of them to a man.

So no, I don't really hate Bournemouth but utterly despise lu*on.

 

If there had been fans allowed in grounds this year, you'd all know full well what the real rivalry is.

 

There seems to be a trend of the people saying Luton think that all their fans are scum, whereas those who don't seem to be voting for Bournemouth.

Before this season I'd have said Luton, because that's what I was taught. But after the two games this season I've changed my mind. I honestly wasn't bothered about the Luton game, there was no nervous build-up, the goal didn't get me more excited than any other, and when full time came it was 'a good three points' and that's all. My boss is a Luton fan, I didn't even gloat or make a big deal because ultimately I didn't care! Whereas for them it's the biggest game in 14 years, showing how far they've come, blah blah blah. To me it's a one-way rivalry.

I was, however, much more excited by the Bournemouth game. I wouldn't say I hate them, I actually quite like our matches regardless of the controversy - they're always eventful and exciting. Not like that other dross this year. Plus they're always a good signal of where we are as a club, as we're usually pretty close together.

Luton aren't our rivals any more, that's dead. Bournemouth and Palace aren't either, but they're the two closest.

 

I don't hate either, but I would say that Muff are bigger rivals as far as I am concerned. It's a game, a sport, and saying Luton are our rivals gives them more credibility than they deserve. They have not been around for 14 years and to me are a non-league side on a good run that will probably end this season. Whereas Muff have been our football rivals for the past 6 years and have had a nasty side to them for most of that time and yet have been the neutrals and the pundits "plucky" favourites, whereas we have been "everything that is wrong with football."

I want to see Bournemouth being taken down a peg or two, and them missing out on promotion, and us going up would be a great start.

And Luton? Despite my being involved with WFC for many years, I couldn't care less about them.

 

For me Bournemouth, because I’m a younger fan so haven’t experienced the derby as we’ve been in different leagues for most of my life, but as some have said, if they’re both mid table or so and aren’t promotion rivals towards the end of the season, I’d rather luton lose

 

If fans are back the next time we play Luton then I believe the votes will swing more their way for sure. I didn’t get it fully until I came to game v them. Now I fully understand why people would use the term ‘hate’. They have a large following of moronic thuggish scumbags who wouldn’t think twice about smashing up places or people on derby day and feel proud about it after. A real throwback to the dark days of football hooligans running amok.

But without fans, I do feel myself desperately wanting to beat Bournemouth, their actual team and management just wind me up with their gamesmanship and I swear they get away with it because there is this fake fairytale story about them. I’m not sure how many other set of supporters see this, but we clearly do. Would love to beat them next time, arguably more than Luton (based on no fans at the game that is).

 

No comparison.

Couldn't care that much about the Muff, but I wish eternal misery on the scum. Whatever league they're in, I always look for their result and my heart gives a little leap for joy if they've lost.

 

In my eyes the rivalry with Bournemouth is similar to the ones we had with Shrewsbury and Swansea as we climbed the leagues under SGT. I recall disliking both teams as they challenged us for supremacy,especially Swansea when Toshack pulled that "pitch is too frozen for my octogenarian ex LFC players" stunt. Shrewsbury were a begin Bournemouth,pretty town,tiddily poo ground,man in boat fishing ball out of river and plucky cup runs aplenty.

Nothing can replicate the deeply unpleasant atmosphere of a Watford v Loon derby and Bournemouth and Palace will never be long standing rivalries,temporary ones certainly but just passing through.

A few of you have made the point about the absence of fans diluting the intensity. Very true. When fans return to this fixture,perhaps later in the season,the younger amongst us will realise the animosity first hand.

Bournemouth in their current guise are hugely irritating. I didn't say that,that's Mr IBB who found Tindall more of a problem than the Sainted Eddie,for his incessant touchline pestering of the fourth official.

However if one of my students today had been an AFC fan I would have drilled numerous tennis balls at their vital parts with all my might!

 

Luton, and I'm coming up for 69.
Years old that is.

 

I hated Luton more than any other club when David Evans was in charge and they had a plastic pitch and a ban on away supporters (yes, I bought Luton Town membership so I could be a covert away supporter). Since then I've loathed their fans when I've come across them, which hasn't been often in recent years, but have had no feelings about the club. Luton have been a team that plays nearby, like Barnet, St Albans City or Borehamwood - no need to hate them, as they're in a different orbit altogether.

Bournemouth have been coached to be loathsome. They're as loathsome under Tindall as they were under St Eddie, but at least the media have abandoned the fairytale of the plucky underdog (owned by a Russian plutocrat). But once the Howe/Tindall era has come to an end, I suppose I'll see them as just another club we hope to beat.

If Luton ever beat us again in my lifetime, though, I'm sure I'll hate it, because they'll be our local rivals again.

As somebody said to me today, whether you hate Bournemouth more than Luton is like asking whether you hate Trump more than climate change.

 

I think if the younger generation of supporters get to experience a proper derby day then this is not even debatable. I am only 30 myself but I have been lucky enough to to the derby games and those games are not people on Twitter saying your cheats no your cheats there is genuine hate between the supporters and the scum absolutely detest us. If fans were allowed at The Vic earlier in the season Watford would have been mayhem, there is a reason that the Graham Taylor statue had to be boarded up. I hope for the younger supporters that we get to play Luton with fans allowed at the stadium as I find it a little sad that people are even suggesting Bournemouth as rivals over Luton, there is nothing like the atmosphere and adrenaline on derby day, games against anyone else do not even come close to this feeling.

 

Console yourself with this Bunny:
The Rt Hon Member for Welwyn and Hatfield gave me huge wads of cash to play tennis AND a souvenir book of their Little Coca Rumbelows Milk Thingy Cup win.
I made it into ticker tape and we threw it in the air in the Vicarage Road End!
My sister in law called David 'Captain Pugwash'.
He was a strange man, slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan and was almost certainly in favour of public boiling for stealing.

He bankrolled them for years. Helped me a lot so I'm grateful for that but I never pretended to him that I despised his football club.
He played for Villa as a youth.

 

What do Arsenal and United fans think of each other now? When I first started watching football that was THE game in the Premier League, now that both teams are pretty average, is there still a lingering dislike, or is it just another game to them?

 

If you asked me yesterday at 2.30 I would say Bournemouth. But that would be a knee jerk response. Bournemouth are irrelevant. They’re cheating scum who are too cowardly to attempt to take us on in an honest contest. But they’re still irrelevant.
We have only one real rival.

 

I wouldn’t say it’s there much at all anymore. Funnily enough Arsene Wenger was talking about it on the radio the other day (he’s got a book out). He said SAF hated the fact that he came along and upset his dominance, so there was a real rivalry there between the two managers and players like Viera and Keane. That simply doesn’t exist anymore.

 

The history of our rivalry with LTFC goes back into the late 19th Century. For 26 years (1937 - 1963) we didn't play them - the rivalry endured. We literally battled with them (on and of the pitch) in the late 60s/70s/80s. They love to rub our noses in the "no trophies" thing. I just can't believe what I am reading in this thread.......a couple of years in a different division to AFCB and most of the "rivalry" will evaporate.

 

Interesting, sometimes these rivalries stick, like Brighton and Palace, but I guess when you've got other 'traditional' rivals, it's easier for these things to fade. Will we think much of Bournemouth in 10 years time? Who knows, they might, Southampton are the nearest club to them and that's not really a thing

 

A heartwarming story!

 

The innocents among you who are voting for Bournemouth really have no idea? I have lived and worked in L*t*n. The way they think about us is deep rooted disdain (and I could use much stronger language). Historically, the people in the two towns tended to be very different. Watford more from the rural community and surrounding villages. L*t*n was much more industrial with a bigger and more diverse community (in those days Scots and Irish). In the days when Vauxhall Motors and the companies in their supply chain employed vast numbers in L*t*n, their main competitor was Ford. When talk of football and Watford came up on the shop floor at Vauxhalls, the workers would shout "What - FORD!" They were passionate about not only their town but their employment too and we were seen as the enemy - they were also unquestionably top dogs on the pitch lording it over us with an in-built superiority complex. I believe this attitude has been passed down. There is a real 'chip on their shoulder' amongst their supporters and a determination to reclaim what they see as their rightful position 'above' us. If you think the rivalry is over, think again, it's not far beneath the surface and ready to rear its ugly head.

 

Most of the people on here don't actually go to the match so the clubs history and rivalries and things like that don't register with them.

As you say, by almost any measure those ****s up the road have us beat sadly. The whoppers on here seem to think 5 years in the Premier league is something meaningful.

 

Excellent explanation of why they hate us - but why should we bother with hating those lower-league losers?

 

We are two points above them

 

And also have fewer trophies than them
Are miles behind them on head to head results
Are behind them on the all time league table
Etc
Etc

But we spent 5 years in the Premier league and had a world record cup final defeat.

 

Exactly this

 

Been to many games vs both and the difference is enormous. The issue is that a generation of fans have not seen us play the scum. The same happened when we had rivalries with Brentford and Southend but no game comes close to the scum game. The tension in the air is something that doesn’t come close in any other game. Don’t like Bournemouth because of their antics but the fans are fine. The same cannot be said about the scum. There is a reason they are called scum

 

That's true, but only for this season. I cherish the memory of a caller to 3CR who said "I know we won 6-0 today, but he [forget who] isn't the man to take us back into the League"

 

All true, but with their fan-base they're unlikely to add to their honours, or to ever get to a higher status than us again.

 

Possibly. But until we overhaul them in the important head to head matters we are in no position to consider them beneath us, as unpalatable as that is, or consider them irrelevant.