The use & implementation of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by brinnyboy1985, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. Feels like there were a few VAR decisions that could have been changed yesterday.

    Will be interesting next year with this on place.
  2. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    VAR will only change the "matter of fact" things like offside, did the ball go out of play before the cross etc. It won't change the fact that for a second a referee won't give big negative decisions against the big clubs and their players, i.e. taking Holebas' red yesterday, had that been a City defender, it would have been a yellow.
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  3. R4E

    R4E Reservist

    You're right. See Kyle Walker not being sent off in the FA Cup Semi Final against Brighton.
  4. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The game in this country is heavily weighted in favour of the bigger clubs. Whether it's deliberate or unconscious it clearly is a "thing". Insignificant clubs (as regarded by all outside of Watford's own fanbase) will always suffer the most. VAR will help to a degree, but of course, it won't change bias or cheating by an official.

    I do believe the top 6 will all be down on their points total next season though. It will be interesting to see that, although United should get better than their measly total. I don't think City or Liverpool will get anywhere near their points totals with VAR in place next season.
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  5. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes First Year Pro

    assume var is in play for the final ?
  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yes, they’re rehearsing their script as we speak.
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  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    No pitch side monitors are there like we have seen in Europe ..
  8. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    "No, pitch side monitors are there - like we have seen in Europe"


    "No pitch side monitors are there, unlike what we have seen in Europe"

    ?? :confused:
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  9. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The latter.
  10. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

  11. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    So, basically, next season's table.

  12. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    lul wut, Spurs have gained 40 points through no VAR?
  13. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    How can I enjoy this without any ******* sauce?
  14. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    No he got burned by Drogon
  15. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Has Moog been hacked by one of his other personas ? Meridensi ?
  16. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    This table has surely been constructed by a West Ham fan.
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  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’m calling this table as complete and utter ****ocks.

    Spurs bottom but Liverpool still 4th? Nonsense.
  18. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    It was all believable until I saw Spurs at the bottom. They won 23 games, but this table only shows 6, too big a change to be correct.

    Look at the goals - scored 67, after VAR 32, conceded 39, after VAR 56.

    I think this was created by an Arsenal supporter.
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  19. How the **** was this worked out? Presumably by someone with very good computer skills?

    As someone else has said Spurs finishing bottom is the most unbelievable thing about it, our position for me is not to unbelievable IMO, as I have said in a previous post that bad decisions have cost us about 20 points this season.

    Therefore 70 points for us would be about right IMO!
  20. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    The references to NFL are wide of the mark. Completely different games. In NFL a play lasts 5-10 seconds max, if a flag is thrown the play still carries on and is reviewed at the end. It’s a natural stoppage in the game anyway. In NFL you have god knows how many umpires, because they are needed. Any one player could be involved in a ‘foul’ on and off the ball. It would litteraly be impossible for one referee to spot any incidents like they are expected to in football. ‘VAR’ is integral to the game and it would be almost impossible to not use it.

    Maybe however that is where football has gone wrong over the years? We’ve traditionally had a ref and two lineman... well maybe that was never nearly enough. I know they trialled that thing with officials behind the goal line that never really worked (because they seemed too scared to give anything themselves) but because the game has been played with three officials for litteraly a hundred years or more, VAR seems a big adjustment now when in reality it should just be a natural progression.
  21. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    Lol, love that. Also shows that I guess we have at least one West Ham supporter who quite likes us.

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  22. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Awful news. I'd rather they showed the quality level of ref related chat and bantz in the pub after the game table.

    After all, that's what it's all about.
  23. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    Apparently next season in the Premier League under VAR the linesmen will be flagging for close offsides as normal but the players will be expected to continue playing until the whistle is blown to see if they can score. However in UEFA competitions the linesmen will not flag. Recipe for disaster?

    After VAR decisions are made the incident will be shown on the big screen...except at Liverpool and Man U where they don’t have them. Hmmm.... Over to you HB1.
  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yeah. Got to be hard as defender to keep playing when you see the flag up after years of knowing it’s attack over? UEFA have it right. Why the difference?
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I’d wager the PL don’t trust the fans to get it if they go the way competitions using VAR have so far. It’s a decision that protects the officials from even more criticism.
  26. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    There are sound arguments for and against VAR - but the farce in the Portugal vs Switzerland game just now highlights one of the big downsides. Imagine that in the PL next season.
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    The danger is decisions will still be a matter of judgement rather than fact in some cases.
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Exactly. Watford don't get that Switzerland penalty. Salah would.
  29. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Why did Switzerland get it,then?

    Surely the “bias” argument would point to favouring Portugal, the bigger and home team?
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  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Fair point. However, I always feel international football has a less inherent bias than national leagues. The domestic refs read the papers every day and are under constant conditioning about how great the Big 6 are, and how wonderful Salah and Kane are despite the fact they routinely dive. There isn't the same week in week out pressure on refs when it comes to internationals in my view. Ref gives a big decision against Liverpool and it's all over the papers for a week. It has to go through their minds when they see Salah do his ragdoll dive on VAR under minimal contact in the penalty area verses Deeney tumbling to the ground under similar challenge.
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  31. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    I don’t believe in the ‘bias’ argument in favour of the big teams, except to the extent that a weak-minded ref can be swayed in some cases by a large noisy crowd (and sometimes large noisy players).
    My belief is that VAR is being brought in by the authorities because they are afraid of referees making judgements. They are trying to make everything a black and white issue, hence the removal of intent in both handball and tackling, as we saw tonight. Contact = penalty.
  32. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Only in footballing terms.

    CH lead the way as a tax haven.
  33. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Contact didn’t = penalty in the FA Cup final though, when the ball clearly hit Kompany’s arm. Contact only = penalty if the referee feels like giving it.

    Big club Man City v Little club Watford, no chance.
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  34. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    The strangest thing for me with that incident was in real time at first viewing I thought it was a penalty, but after the replays on VAR I thought it wasn't. Meanwhile, the ref thought the opposite.
  35. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    WWTW was referencing contact in relation to a tackle leading to an opposition player to fall over (e.g. the dubious Switzerland pen yesterday); not contact in relation to a ball touching an arm.

    Didn't think the Kompany incident was a pen.

    In fact recently, including in the U20 World Cup going on at the moment and the CL final, I think that handballs have been the one area which the refs using VAR have actually been pretty decent and consistent on, especially in line with the new clarifications to the rules coming in urging consideration of whether the arm was near to the player's body or not.

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