The use & implementation of VAR

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by brinnyboy1985, Apr 9, 2019.

  1. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    What were people’s thoughts on it?

    I’m not a fan and Sunday confirmed my feelings on it. Totally ruined the flow of the game and if a red card / penalty given or rescinded it would have caused more confusion & resentment.

    The beauty of football is the immediacy of emotion. VAR ruins that.
  2. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    The two sets of Red card announcements were confusing and unnecessary, however with the penalty decision it was right to use it and I think it took no more than 45 seconds between the decision and the penalty being taken. Some throw ins take longer than that!
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  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Ruined the game completely. I'd have preferred no penalty given and I could have moaned about it in the pub afterwards.

    As that's what it's all about.
  4. I think it worked really well. Made sure the key decisions for their 2nd goal and our pen were correct. Stopped a silly red card being wrongly given when the 2 went head to head.
    Top marks TBF in my view.
  5. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    In general in favour of VAR. The timing of the messages at Wembley was pointless. All the messages were late and it was already obvious what was (was not) happening and the game was going again.
  6. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I woke up suddenly in the night to a booming voice saying "VAR review". As I've not yet had the "VAR review completed" one I'm now paranoid I'm being watched everywhere I go.
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  7. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    All for it, the announcements were a bit odd though.
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  8. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    The point is, the two red card calls were easily missed, certainly from 3km away, where I was sitting, so it didn't make sense, but anyone who would have preferred to lose 2-1 and have delofeou sent off, in the name of good old fashioned bad footballing decisions, well, I have to disagree with them.
  9. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    You're being watched by the Voice Arve Reason
  10. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    For me the most damning thing about it is how culturally Americanised it feels. Like NFL etc.

    I remember thinking 10 odd years ago I hope football never follows suit. Dodgy decisions that sometimes go for/against you are part of the beauty of the game & as the old saying goes it usually all evens out over a season.

    So much money involved nowadays, it's a necessary evil but no I really don't like it.
  11. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    Ruined one of the greatest semi finals in recent history?

    Personally, I'm glad Everton's first goal at Goodison was allowed, we don't need correct decisions spoiling the game or costing us 2 points.
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  12. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The red card review was just ridiculous. I thought they must be running a test on the scoreboard or something. No one around me, including myself, had a clue what it was for.

    The penalty review, did take something away as well. You get a penalty, all cheer, then have to wait as it might be taken away. Then it's given again, so that was quite weird to cheer the award twice.

    It's got a lot of fine tuning to go through, as right now it's just so clunky. It will improve though, as there is a will to use it and it will clear up the obvious injustices. It's the grey area ones, or those decisions which are subjective that will be the problem.

    I think VAR can only be used in events of fact, and not opinion. If it's subjective and not fact, then the referee should have the opportunity to review the incident himself, rather than to be told by another official he got it wrong.

    The Wolves 2nd goal was so marginal, and it was only onside because of Kiko's toes being visible. Had you not seen his foot, I think it would have been disallowed, and that would have been hilarious after that facemask piss take from Jimenez.

    So it worked, but there's a lot of smoothing out needed before it becomes slick and a good fit for the game. I'm all for it though.

    I will go as far to say, that next season VAR will help close the gap between the top 6 and the rest. All these beneficial decisions big clubs get will be reduced, so that will inevitably mean the points are spread out a lot more evenly.
  13. Thought it worked quite well. WRT the penalty it was good that VAR cleared it up and it hasn’t allowed to become the following mornings was it wasn’t it argument.
  14. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    I said it ruins the flow of the game. The problem I have with it is that you can’t react (emotionally) for certain about any goal or big decision now. Without VAR a quick glimpse at the Lino to check you’re not celebrating and making a *** out yourself was clarification that a goal is given.

    I agree with the NFL comments above. It’s another corporate element to the game that teams want but I’d question how many fans do
  15. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Sorry, GD, but that's not my opinion. I don't think that is what it is all about and I prefer accuracy in decisions rather than mistakes.
  16. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    With cricket, reviews add to the spectacle but they make rugby unwatchable.

    Refs will have to ensure only the major episodes are reviewed. It would be easy, in these cya times, to review everything.

    As in cricket, there should be the unpire's call bias. Unless there is clear evidence to the contrary, the ref's decision stands. This speeds up proceedings & retains the ref's authority.

    Also, they have to inform the crowd wtf is happening. It is insulting to pay £60 & be clueless about the most crucial decisions of the match. Ultimately, they have to show the replay on the big screen.
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  17. cfdr0ftaW

    cfdr0ftaW Academy Graduate

    Troy said himself that VAR was crucial to him scoring the penalty - it allowed him time to get his breath back and focus. The wait in the stands was excruciating, but maybe on another day, without VAR to back him up, Michael Oliver bottles that penalty decision and we're left waiting another 35 years for a final.

    Red card reviews were bizarre, but at the end of the day neither team can have complaints about an incorrect decision costing them, and that's what it's all about.
  18. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    How does it ruin the flow of the game?

    The physio coming on to treat a player stops the flow of the game. Game management stops the flow of the game...Foster is excellent at slowing the game down. Hughes is very good at getting free kicks to break up and frustrate the opposition momentum.

    You're complaining about getting game changing decisions correct, because of a review.

    We score a goal, we celebrate - VAR reviews and the goal is given, we celebrate again.

    In the European leagues, VAR is used differently as the referee will go and review the incident himself and then decide accordingly.

    That does take an age, whereas the VAR here is used like they do in rugby. Oliver made a decision, then confers with VAR to check, they agree with his decision. It took no longer than players arguing with the referee without VAR.
  19. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team you watch football? :D
  20. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    I disagree with the rugby part. The refs are mic'd up so you know what they're reviewing and the incident is played on the screen for them. Usually it's used for tries so there's a natural break in play plus conversion kicks take forever.
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  21. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    One of the arguments goes that it doesn't all even out over the season. Reference Hornet Boy. A - There is a persistent feeling that big clubs get (unconscious) bias. B - A single bad call in a crucial and very close match like Sunday's would not be evened-out in another, hum-drum ordinary game where there was little riding on it.
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  22. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I was relieved when I saw both the Wolves and Watford players line up for the penalty whilst the VAR decision was being made - very few protests from Wolves which made me think both sides knew it was a given.
  23. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    For Wolves second goal, the foul was inside the centre circle, the free kick was taken at least 10 yards further forward than it should have been.
  24. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Were the VAR reviews really that baffling?

    Deulofeu has rutting with Jota and then Jiminez went over in some sort of kung fu type lunge. Oliver gave neither but VAR wanted to double check there wasn't anything worthy of a red in there. It was the announcements that confused it I think.
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  25. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Unless VAR is used, the kicker has 90 seconds from the try maximum to take the conversion or it's lost.
  26. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

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  27. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    Well at least we are actually aware of what is going on in those circumstances. Sunday we had no idea and it’s makes fans have to suddenly stop and wait. Therefore there is a difference in the ‘flow’ being disrupted from a fans perspective
  28. Bore

    Bore Reservist

    I am pleased there is a thread on this and was going to raise myself.

    Question - if the ref had not flagged for a penalty would VAR have stepped in or only if ref had requested it.

    As the penalty was not 100% clear cut does VAR only overrule if 100%. I presume if the ref had not given it VAR would have backed ref decision unless 100%

    Trying to understand whether the penalty would have been given if the ref had not blown.
  29. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Year Pro

    I think in cricket if it's a review is rejected because of the umpire's call, they shouldn't lose a review at least. But anyway, back to the football, I'm not too keen on VAR, sure, use it for black and white calls like offsides, but whatever Deeney says about getting more time to compose himself, I don't agree with pausing for a review after every major decision. If they do review decisions like that, at the very least they should make it as quick as possible, if there's any doubt, stick with the onfield call. Football is a much more flowing game than cricket or rugby, it stands to lose more from being made a stop-start spectacle. Don't care much for the drama, we want a football match, not theatre
  30. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    The screens showed 'Red Card Review'.

    All goals are reviewed by VAR.

    The penalty was reviewed.

    I don't see what your problem is.
  31. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    Well I had no idea which team, which player or what for. Makes for great viewing o_O
  32. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    Any overturned decision would have been shown on the screens.
  33. brinnyboy1985

    brinnyboy1985 First Year Pro

    It’s down to what experience you want in the ground. It’s good for TV audiences but I didn’t enjoy it. The really tough decisions will take a lot longer than 30seconds and in the meantime fans can have a nice chat.
  34. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    On such things as the penalty decision, VAR will only be used to reverse the initial decision if it shows that decision to be a "clear error". Which in this case it definitely was not. Allowing Sterling's 1st goal at Etihad was a "clear error" & so would have been overruled.
  35. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    I agree, but the delay puts added pressure on the penalty taker.

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