The Premier League - 2020/21 - All Match Discussion In Here

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  1. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I’ve long realised that in general the lower down the pyramid you go the more honest the players are and the more enjoyable the football is, provided that you accept the standard is lower.
     
  2. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    This is the issue, it doesn’t matter how much money a club has or gets it’s all relative, the more money you have the more it will be sucked up by transfer fees, wages and agent fees. Players get paid ever more obscene amounts of money which are far beyond amounts anybody realistically needs. Something like the franchise system in the NFL could work, but would never ever happen.
     
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  3. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Didn't (aren't) the Jockanese (planning to) scrap their tow tier system (bearing a passing resemblance to the US franchise system) with the junior league and professional leagues?
     
  4. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I don’t know, by franchise I mean when an nfl club franchises a player, if they do that they have to pay them something like the average of the top five salaries in that position, but they can sign them on a longer contract. Within the constraints of a salary cap system it means clubs have to be careful which players they franchise. It just means clubs can only spend x amount on player salaries. Would never happen in football at the top level though.
     
  5. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    It’s so much easier for US sports to impose rules like this because, essentially, they don’t have to consider competition from outside their borders. If we tried it clubs would moan about the advantage it would give Real, Barca, Bayern etc.
     
  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yeah exactly, that’s why it would never happen, not to mention it would shift power massively away from the top clubs and we’ve seen with project big picture that’s the opposite of what they want.
     
  7. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    So how does ice hockey get round this? I was going to mention basketball (but there's nothing in the world comparable to the NBA) or baseball (I suppose Japan is the only competition).
     
  8. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Is there international competition (Champions League style) between ice hockey teams, rather than just competition for players? I genuinely don’t know.
     
  9. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I'm certain that @Smudger will be along shortly to educate the pair of us.
     
  10. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Another disgraceful VAR (non) decision robbing West Brom of a perfectly fair goal. They claim they couldn’t draw the offside lines properly due to the camera position, even tough you can clearly see from the pictures that the scorer is onside. This one is on a par with the ball over the line case last season.
     
  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    That saying a bad workman will always blame his tools comes to mind?
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Not watching the match but just found a clip. I don’t think it’s clear the scorer is onside.

    https://twitter.com/skysportspl/status/1381657202587537415?s=21

    It’s very tight. He could be onside. Ultimately Bartley is blocking the camera angle that would prove the lino was wrong to put his flag up. Bad luck. Nothing more.
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Looks like it won’t matter anyway.

    Sounds more like a glitch in the system so they have stuck with the original decision.

    So it would have been offside anyway without VAR.
     
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  14. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    The still shots shown on Sky were very clear. Not close or debatable. If you’re going to use cameras to get decisions right, then use them. Don’t hide behind technicalities. Fortunately it doesn’t look like it’s going to matter tonight, but we know from last season that it can.
     
  15. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    So you’re saying they should have ditched the Hawkeye cameras and reverted to looking at the Sky broadcast feed? I’m not sure that’s technically feasible.
     
  16. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    :D The answers are as follows as far as my understanding of it is. There are CL in ice hockey in Europe only. This includes teams from the three top leagues in the continent the KHL(Russia plus single teams from Latvia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Finland and China), Elitserien (Sweden) and SM-Liiga(Finland). However the NHL and Stanley Cup is seen as the pre-eminent tournament for clubs. While clubs in Europe pay fees for players the NHL has it's draft as with other North American sports. Worst team gets highest rated draftee depending on what their General Manager has in mind. It may not be the best junior forward but might be a defenceman and rarely ever a netminder. Seven rounds of 31 choices. Some teams can get multiple picks in a round if they have traded a player for rights to a draft pick.

    The draft applies to all junior leagues in Canada namely the WHL, OHL and CHL and American juniors including the NCAA. It extends to all leagues across the world. The problem is clubs in Europe get nothing for developing the juniors. The KHL in Russia is now asking players and agents to pay the club the part of the contract they void when they do go to North America.

    It makes the NHL a pretty even competition so that none of the really old established teams such as the original big six have a stranglehold and new teams with an expansion draft as this year with the Seattle Kraken will have a decent chance of being competitive. The salary cap also means one has to be careful about contracts although they can be obscene as well but in order to keep a star player you may need to trade away another one or two players and rely on your draftees. A lot still has to do with the GM's choices and coaches of course. Steve Yzerman picked carefully for Tampa Bay and they won the Stanley Cup but the Buffalo Sabres recently set a record 18 game losing streak and they have had the pick of the drafts in recent years with players like Eichel.
     
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  17. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Something has to be done about the often minimal contact to the face and players theatrically going down clutching their head or face as if they have been hit by Mike Tyson. It is not only embarrassing it is cheating. It needs retrospective punishment and has crept into the game at all levels. Swansea players have developed it to a fine art.
     
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  18. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    No. The NHL is the big one. The international hockey is even 2nd fiddle to it. Winter Olympics is big but really it’s between Canada the USA and Russia. World juniors is every year around end dec beginning Jan. This gets a lot of love in Canada.


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  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Yes - too easy to get away with it as we have seen a lot.

    A Man U player would have done what Son did to get the decision of the roles were reversed.
     
  20. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    No. It’s the shot from the VAR camera that shows the goal scorer onside. However, their argument is that his team mate was in such a position that they could not draw a ‘definitive’ line to show this, so they had to stick with the on field decision. Everyone could see this was wrong, so the system is inadequate.
     
  21. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    Make any player that goes to ground for this go off for a 10min concussion check.
     
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  22. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Ake I think?
     
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  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  24. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Spurs said that through the partnership the club would “benefit from the unrivalled expertise in paint and colour”

    **** off, then **** off some more and get in the sea you shower of absolute ****s.

    Football is ****.
     
  25. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I did actually get to that bit and felt physically sick trying to read it.
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  27. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Utterly unsurprising given the greed and puffed up importance these clubs regard themselves as. Older fans of these clubs are also disappointed. I doubt very much they want endless away trips over local rivalries.

    Many of Europe’s wealthiest football clubs have agreed to join a breakaway “Super League” competition that would mark the biggest transformation of the game in decades. Up to 12 clubs have signed up to a plan, backed by $6bn in debt financing from JPMorgan, to launch a new tournament that would supersede the Champions League, currently the continent’s top annual club competition. According to people with knowledge of the discussions, those ready to join the breakaway contest include Spain’s Real Madrid and FC Barcelona; England’s Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea; and Italy’s Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan. These clubs either declined or did not respond to a request for comment. The new league, according to documents seen by the FT, would involve 20 clubs with 15 being “permanent members”, meaning they could not be relegated and would not need to qualify through strong performances in national league competitions. The founder members would be granted between €100m-€350 each and would continue to play in their national competitions, such as England’s Premier League and Spain’s La Liga. With expected revenues of €4bn for the competition through media and sponsorship sales, clubs would receive a fixed payment of €264m a year. JPMorgan declined to comment.

    The clubs not yet signed up include France’s Paris Saint-Germain and Germany’s Bayern Munich, among the richest in Europe, according to people close to the discussions. A declaration about the Super League is designed to head off an alternative plan for a radical transformation of the Champions League, which is run by Uefa, European football governing body. At Uefa’s annual conference on Monday it is set to approve a radical new format for its competition, which includes 100 more matches each season and more money-spinning ties between top teams. That move comes after the European Club Association, a body that represents the interests of more than 200 leading teams and led by Andrea Agnelli, Juventus chair, gathered last week to discuss the proposed reforms to the continent’s club tournaments.

    The ECA agreed to allow Uefa to proceed with the proposed format changes, but there was widespread discontent with the plan, as leading clubs wanted to be given greater assurances over a new joint venture that would control all media and sponsorship rights for European club competitions. Uefa’s attempts to contact Agnelli this weekend to find out whether Juventus had agreed to join the Super League have failed, according to people close to discussions. However, other key power brokers have been informed, such as La Liga’s chief Javier Tebas, who is among the football officials seeking to block the breakaway plan. Leading clubs, which have faced steep revenue shortfalls in the pandemic, are keen on the new competition, which they believe will guarantee income from European matches every season. It could also include aspects of cost control, such as potential salary caps and spending limits. The competition would resemble the structure of “closed” North American sports leagues, where franchise owners enjoy reliable profits and with the valuation of teams steadily rising over time. But the plan breaks with the pyramid structure of the European game, where even the smallest teams, through strong performances on the pitch, can win the biggest trophies. Uefa declined to comment.

    The odious scum teams just want to control everything they can and assure themselves of titles and money in perpetuity. The North American model of sports becomes ever more appealing compared to this. However UEFA has issued a response.

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    It would be great to see these scummy clubs confined to this boring tournament which would soon lose it's glamour and appeal. Utterly abominable behaviour as usual from the same old suspects. The likes of Abu Dhabi and Chavsea are only even there because of petrodollars and a crooked oligarch handed a large section of Russia's infrastructure for free. Businessman indeed.
     
  28. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Absolutely vital that UEFA/FIFA/domestic leagues don’t allow these vile clubs to play in their national leagues. Imagine how tedious their super league would become with Arsenal finishing last every year and no relegation and no need to qualify. Endless dead rubbers.
     
  29. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Let them do it and boot them all out of every current competition. They’ll all be out of business within the next decade.

    C*nts.
     
  30. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Spot on. Without anything to lose, it’s nothing more than an exhibition league. Basically an expansion of the pre-season friendly tournaments they play each summer across the globe.

    Make them forfeit the domestic leagues and let them bore themselves into oblivion. The rest of us can enjoy proper football on our own.

    Without those clubs, it might be an opportunity to reform the game and make the pyramid a bit more competitive and open.
     
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  31. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    yep. Kick them out permanently. Flatten TV deals between divisions considerably. Reform Champions Cup back to original knock out format and league winners only. Reinstate UEFA and Cup Winners Cup. Oh and FA Cup Final day has rolling all day coverage involving Bobby Davro at team hotels.

    Then see if the punters want to watch this retro beauty or Game Week 28 in Superleague land with Juventus 12 points clear, top 4 place of no consequence and no relegation.
     
  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Please just **** off now, the lot of them. Screwing actual fans of their clubs over to chase bigger revenues from ‘fans’ sitting thousands of miles away. Absolute scum the lot of them.
     
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  33. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    At least we won't have to play Man City.
     
  34. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Apparently a letter of intent from our ‘big 6’ being published at 9:30pm?

    Rio going in hard on them on BT sport to be fair.
     
  35. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    An absolute disgrace. Contemptuous.

    Gary Neville absolutely spot on during the Utd coverage earlier.
     
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