Offensive Words - Hornmeister.

I am sorry mate, but how the hell is the word "****" offensive?

It is merely short for Pakistani.

I am outraged you could even consider that to be offensive.

If you call this offensive, you HAVE to therefore asterix out the following words:

Brit (short for Bristish)
Scot (short for Scotish)
Manc (Short for Manchester residents)
Pole (Short for Polish)

The list goes on. I am fed up with people thinking that the word "****" is offensive. Anything you say about another race now is offensive!! Pathetic, especially in the steam room!

Please could you explain how it is offensive please?

 

100% agree with you there mate!

If people want to take "****" to offence, then i shall no longer be called a "Pole"

 

or thief for liverpudlians

 

i don;t think it should be clased as offensive

asians can be far more rasist than white people

 

Call a pakistani a **** and see what happens... in the oh so popular politically correct society in which we live if you were to call a pakistani a **** you could be done for racism... sad but true.. i know what you are saying but unfortunately the word **** is something that we as a nation has adopted as a way of having a go at pakistani's and it has never been recognised at being a revised version of the race in legal terms hence why you wont find it in any copy of OED... like brit or scot... a brit is someone from britain a scot is someone from scotland. someone from pakistan is a pakistani not a ****.

Im not trying to cause a problem but just trying to point out the legal side of it and the defenitive of it.

 

Funnily enough i have. I am not changing my ways to suit them, as long as you are talking about Pakistanis and not Indians etc, there isn't any harm.

Yes Britain is to PC, but doesn't mean this board should be too!

 

We have plenty of Asian fans who love the Golden Boys as much as the rest of us. If we use the work P4ki towards them it is offensive. We're not being politically correct we're just not promoting racism especially towards our own fans. Someone sent me a picture after the playoffs that sums up what I'm trying to say, I'll go see if I can dig it out.

 

more pc gone mad hysteria. This board is depressing sometimes.

 

Admin there is a difference to what we're saying here.

Asia is the continent, Pakistan is the country. If i wanted to apply asians i would have said the word asians.

We have a lot of British fans too, bet if someone complained about being called a Brit they would be told to shut up wouldn't they?

Be interesting to see this picture.

 

I agree. Arguing '****' is just short for 'pakistani' is being disingenuous. It has historically been used as a derogatory term and still has those connotations.

 

**** shouldnt be down as a offencive word, eg. chris' original post

 

But they wouldnt... legally a person from britain IS a brit.. a person from palistan ISNT a ****, he's a pakistani.. there's a huge difference between the two... one is legally a racist taunt the other is the correct name.

 

Afanof, i respect your views.

However is calling an English person a pommie correct then?

 

a word that historically has been applied to a people as offensive isn't going to suddenly become acceptable because someone entirely removed from the situation dosen't see the problem.

 

That legal thing is pathetic, (although i respect your view)

A person from Britain is British.

How did the word **** become a legal racist taunt? I bet it started out on the same concept, however they complained and had to change it, or it would be racist.

 

My call, sorry you disagree with it but I feel a better effort than deleting the post without explanation as would have happened elsewhere. I took the decision because we have a lightly moderated area (which it wasn't in) and that it is not a name anyone would call an asian to their face due to history of derogatory use.

These boards are as lightly moderated as possible and very few words are automatically edited out. We do need to remember that there are stipulations applied to us by the host company as well as the responsibility we have to minors who may come on here. I do understand that although this is admins, space it is a community and if everyone finds the word acceptable and admin agrees I wont edit it and other similar ones in future.

Maybe I should have used the term derogatory rather than offensive as this is less inflammatory? For that I apologise.

 

No. I was actually thinking of that example but decided not to use it as it's more complicated. 'Pommie' is a derogatory term and can be used in a very nasty way, the way that '****' is used and in the past it was meant to offend. However, for various reasons, it now tends to be used in a jokey banterish way so it isn't really the equivalent of '****'.

 

I will answer that.. no its not.. though we as a nation arent as bad as other races when it comes down to being called things.. i personally dont find pommie to be offensive.. i find it quite funny... especially when you realise that the name comes from pomegranit.. why i dont know.. which is why i find it amusing.. just shows the stupidity of the person that started it.
The only thing i do get annoyed about is knowing that i legally am no longer english.. im british.. it is now not allowed to put English on things like passports and other such legal forms.
However Pakistan, India and other such nations have been oppressed over the years and take a dim view to be called anything other than what they are, they see it as another way of us oppressing them.
When i was young it was taboo to use the expression **** when talking to an asian even if they were from pakistan... the main problem i feel is that the younger people have been brought up believing it to be a correct term and not realising it is in fact a racist slur.

 

It's a very offensive term to an asian, that's good enough reason for me. Here's those pictures I talked about. Would you refer to any of these as ****'s to their faces?

 

Glad to see we're having a good debate about this instead of the mudslinging we've all seen before.

Personally I don't use the term "****", only because I know it's deemed offensive in that particular culture - but also because I tend not to use slang such as that, Scouse, german, etc.

I personally do not find it offensive - but that's stating the obvious considering I'm not of pakistani decent. However I do not find "Brit" or any other terms for an Englishman to be offensive.

I am not aware of the historical context so I won't comment but if offense taken at this word has such a historical background, I guess it's best that it doesn't become part of modern society.

I suppose part of the debate is to do with multiculturalism - something I have my own views on but I suppose thats another story for another day.

 

sorry but couldnt help noticing - what is that little boy doing with the clappy stck?

and **** is offensive, although 'techinally' is is short for pakistani, it is often used as offensive. i see your point and its right but if it offends people just dont do it.

 

Thats exactly my point. To me the word Pommie could be offensive, but yet we are made to take it as banter, which is where i feel the PC comes in. Still makes me sick.

Hornmeister, i except those comments, however, again you used the term Asian. Yes Pakistan is in Asia, however i wasn't refering to the whole of Asia, i was just refering to Pakistan.

Admin, in all truth mate, if they were generally from Pakistan, then yes i would, at least i'm being honest.

I am one of those who has Welsh blood in me, but i get told to take the "Sheep Shagger" comments as banter. Fair play i do most the time, but again how is that different, its still offensive?

 

It came to be a racist taunt because it was used by racists to taunt people from Pakistan. It was usually followed by the word 'bashing'. In the same way, the cross of St. George has been hijacked by racists who use it for their nationalistic propaganda, so now we all feel squeamish about flying the flag.

There is another thread about a flag bearing the words 'We hate Luton'. I don't want the flag of my country associated with hate.

 

Wikipedia classifies it as an ethnic slur:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****

Wheras brit as a shortened form of the term briton

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit

 

If the sheep shagger comments aren't in the vein of banter then you do have right to be offended as its been intended to insult and offend. Who would make you take it as banter if its done with a malicious intention? A welsh dude managed to sue his local council after the mayor called him boyo constantly so its not exactly a one way street.

 

Ho Hum (in a indian type voice)

 

I found this on Wikipedia

Pommy

The term Pommy for a British person is commonly used in Australian English, New Zealand English and South African English and Afrikaans Speakers, and is often shortened to Pom. The origin of this term is not confirmed and there are several persistent false etymologies.

One theory is that, as the majority of early immigrants to Australia were British, it is rhyming slang for "immigrant" from a contraction of the word "pomegranate", or possibly more directly related to the appearance of the fruit, as it bears a more than passing resemblance to the typical pale complexioned Briton's skin after his or her first few days living under the hot Australian sun.

Another theory is that POM is a shortened acronym of Prisoner of His/Her Majesty (POHM). As many of Australia's first settlers were convicts, sentenced to transportation, this theory holds that upon arrival in the country they would be given a uniform with POHM emblazoned on the back, and that convicts with an extended stay on Australian soil would no longer have to wear the shirt and would often refer to newer entrants into the country as "Pohmmys". Other suggestions hold that POM is a different acronym, such as "Prisoner of Mother England" or "Port of Melbourne". These etymologies are believed to be false, as the term "pommy" was coined long before acronyms were used in common parlance. Moreover, there is no record of prisoners in Australia ever wearing such uniforms.

The use of the word 'Pom' is contentious. Some British people living in Australasia find the term offensive and demeaning, others find it harmless and amusing. Attitudes to the use of the word have varied over the years, from the 1960s when slogans such as 'bash a pom a day' were heard on New Zealand radio, to today, when the word has become so entrenched that few Australians and New Zealanders see any reason to avoid using the word, some even justifying the use of the word as being 'endearing'. On September 27, 2006, the Australian cricketing authority Cricket Australia ruled that it was OK for cricket fans to refer to the English as 'Poms' after a wide-ranging review on potentially racist terms.

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To me that could be potentially racist, like it says on the bottom line. Still think people are to strict with the racism/banter nowadays though.

 

Agreed. Also the fact that Hornmeister publicly said what the problem was rather that simply deleting the thread or moving it to a more "private" area, (as he's mentioned), is a much better route than what used to happen. It takes time to get used to.

 

"Pakistani or other South Asian. It is usually considered offensive when used by a non-South Asian in the UK"

The above was on hornmeisters wikipedia link.

Why is it soley the Uk? Is this to do with the "**** Bashing" that afanof mentioned?

Is this the same across the globe? For example if i went to France and refered to a Pakistani native as a "****" would this be met the same way as it would in England?

 

It's refreshing to be able to discuss this in an adult way.

I too feel that political correctness has gone mad and that acts against predudice can infact swing too far in the opposite direction, having only women shortlists for MP candidates for example or lowering entry requirements for certain jobs according to ethnic background or gender.

But hey this is the steam room and everyone is entitled to let some off. Except Scummers that is, that's the only predudice allowed here;D

 

Does he get paid the same for that as the rest of us get for our well thought out and rationally presented arguments?

 

I agree with the good debate, and thinking of it, fair play for not deleting it. I am still learning how its offensive as its news to me.

 

Of course, should be more.

 

Just shows how things have changed i guess.
It was always common knowledge that it was a racist slur and i assumed it still was.
But I do have to concur that the word not be able to be used on here due to the various ethnic minorities there are that have chosen to support watford.. like everyone they want a nice place to come to discuss the team they love and should be able to do so without prejudice, the same as we all should, and unfortunately or not the word is a prejudicial word that offends therefore it is right for it not to be allowed.

 

how about we **** out the words pommie, **** and sheep shagger?