Deeney Says Hornets Will Walk If Racially Abused

Good to see Bedwetters vs COGs has been replaced by 'Woke Brigade' vs Actual Racists.

 

Perhaps 'Those who are utterly certain they are right and become hysterical when confronted with an unwelcome opinion' vs Actual liberals, is more appropriate?

 

Nah, he had it nailed on the first time round tbf.

 

Perhaps you could provide an example of what you understand to be 'racism' from this thread?

 

Justify it however you want fella

 

I think you're the one who needs to justify his comment. I'll ask you the same as I asked @reids (who has yet to respond) - provide an example of what you understand to be 'racism' from this thread?

 

You don't believe black people deserve to peacefully protest in the way they have chosen to. I believe they do have that right. What more is there to say?

 

It is becoming so tiresome to keep saying this, but I'll try one more time: Taking a knee signals support for Black Lives Matter (the organisation - upper case B,L and M. Do you see?) It is not a gesture for racial equality or love, peace and happiness among all people and to claim that it is is deceitful and cowardly. It is like saying stretching out your right arm and shouting "Sieg Heil!" is just a gesture and nothing to do with Hitler! For clarity I am full square behind organisations such as Kick It Out - which is simply and genuinely anti-racist, but I detest BLM and its extreme views and the ill-informed, virtue signalling half-wits that support it. End of story

 

Sorry didn't realise I was on a time limit - whilst you haven't said anything directly, it's pretty obvious for all to see.

It is indeed tiresome to keep saying this - no it doesn't. Taking the knee originated long before any BLM "organisation". Despite the change of names of the campaign and numerous statements from clubs and the leagues saying the taking of the knee is only a declaration for racial equality and nothing else, you still don't take it on board. Why's that? If they changed the taking of the knee to a minutes silence, would you then be in favour of it?

How noble of you, supporting an organisation that pretty much does all its work in the background so that you don't have to see it - surely that's the ultimate in virtue signalling?

 

Perhaps I have misunderstood but, if the work is done invisibly in the background then supporting it may be virtuous, but presumably not signalled.

 

So you're saying these black men are incapable of deciding for themselves what the gesture means to them? Thank God they have a white saviour to come and educate them with the truth!

I'm not surprised you're a fan of Kick It Out, who come out once or twice a year with a banner and you can clap and feel like you've done your bit for equality.

I'm not sure why seeing these black men exercise their right to peacefully protest how they see fit, against the injustices they have faced throughout history riles you up so much? It's a very easy excuse to assume Christian Kabasele for example is kneeling in support of Marxism, and I'm sure it makes it easier to justify your prejudices.

 

@WatfordTalk What are your thoughts on Sasha Johnson - a leading light in BLM, who recently stated: "The white man will not be our equal but our slave". Should we dismiss such comments as just somebody 'peacefully protesting how they see fit?'

 

I think it's great she said that! And I think it's great that Nathaniel Chalobah kneeled and raised his fist in support of those specific views of that one individual!

Posts like this are exactly why having a 'debate' with you is ultimately pointless, and why I couldn't be arsed. Can't face your bigotry head on, can't answer the questions asked, so you resort to pathetic whataboutisms.

 

Not picking on any post on this forum, as have seen people mention it a lot/disagree on social media as well, but I think a lot of people discredit Kick It Out and the work they have done since 1993. They do offer support in the form of courses and do work at grassroots level/schools and colleges, as well as having the 'Report it' platform. Sure they don't get the pitch time often - but who's fault is that? Kick it Out or the authorities? Kick it Out have made their own air time - Fire up FM and it's in the start up screen and on the pitches I believe to.

There's always room for improvement, and I'm disappointed that football didn't use the momentum back in the summer to review where they could enhance and improve the existing relationships with their charities instead of jumping into a new relationship.

 

That'll go completely over his head

 

Well done, you got 'bigotry' in! Only 'far right,' 'fascist' and 'nazi' to go for a full house!

 

Except he signalled it by saying he supports it.

 

Still no actual response, how unsurprising.

 

Personally I think the football players taking the knee has taken on a meaning of its own which is pure anti racism which is great. It’s not really linked to BLM the political movement.

However given the football jump on the bandwagon of replacing player names with BLM for a match first up, I think calling people who question the political link “racists” is pretty pathetic. I think it’s clear from his other posts over the years Lloyd isn’t a racist for example. Just a bit childish to claim otherwise.

 

That's your opinion of him, and you're entitled to it. I don't agree, and I think tarring every black athlete with the same brush, insinuating they are unable to distinguish between anti-white, Marxist ideology, and a symbol of peaceful protest is ignorant at best, and racist at worst.

Only Lloyd know if he holds racist views or is just being (wilfully?) ignorant on the subject, and I'm entitled to come to my own conclusions.

 

Well, it was at the point where he was defending himself against outrageous accusations from you and others that he was a racist.

 

Sure, but it would be nice, just occasionally, if @Lloyd put aside his tireless work in impugning BLM wholesale and had something active to say about discrimination.

The problem I have with people who are anti-BLM is not that they feel politics should be kept to one side, but that they rarely can identify discrimination, normally argue if someone suggests discrimination and have no interest or involvement in tackling it. It makes addressing the various forms racism takes an uphill job.

 

It makes me smile when those that are so supportive of the BLM movement and shoot those down that have different views as being racist are those that defended Corbyn's minions as not being anti-semitic when they plainly were

 

More whataboutism. Good work!

 

But you're forgetting that some BLM supporters have probably killed people. Are you saying that murder is okay?!

 

With a hefty dose of Didntreadwholethreadism too.

 

Surely you haven't forgotten our chats about the Labour party's anti-semitism? Come on, Comrade, you must remember: my point was that Labour's discrimination against the Jewish community was a very bad thing, while you contended it was no big deal. Is it coming back to you now?

 

Remember, racism, discrimination and intolerance are always excusable if they're the 'right kind' of racism, discrimination and intolerance.

 

What did I tell you?!! Whoosh!

 

No, all those with more than half a brain cell who bother to read my posts, will know I do not hold racist views

 

BLM is a decentralised movement. It has no specific controlling body that decides it's messaging or membership. Any nut whatsoever can claim to be a part of it, a leader in it or a member. It is possible that if enough nuts affiliate themselves with it that it will no longer be viable as a movement. In the minds of some this is the case already. Sasha Johnson is clearly a nut. That doesn't mean everyone and everything affiliated with Sasha Johnson agrees all of her views or all of her actions. "Guilt by association" is a dangerously slippery slope. People on both the left and right are guilty of perpetrating this sort of fallacy.

All that aside, people with extreme views like Sasha Johnson: a) Are very interested in power along with whatever their root cause is; b) Often harm their causes more than help c) often use the leverage of larger movements that have some overlap with their views in order to gain power; d) also serve the interests of those who don't want change by giving them a scary ogre to point at and rile up the masses (leading to point b).

My advice to all the non-racists out there who are worried about this is: 1) Support the players and the cause they are fighting for b) denounce individual crazy people like Sasha Johnson c) don't fall victim to the guilt by association logical fallacy; d) recognise that no movement, political party or similar is perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good. Perfect is the enemy of change. Change resistors use lack of perfection as a means to perpetuate do nothing.

 

Superb post.

 

I read the ones where you insinuated black people aren't capable of deciding what kneeling means to them. Or is it that they're not allowed to peacefully express themselves how they see fit?

I believe that you believe you're not racist.

 

All of this will go right over his head though as this has been pointed out many times before.