[RELEASED] Danny Welbeck

Discussion in 'The Transfer List' started by TomWatfordFC, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Given their respective age and wages, I'd much rather keep Suarez and sell Deeney and Welbeck. But that's just me.
     
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  2. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    In the long term yes, but it's clear Suarez doesn't want to be at Watford. He may stay, but it seems reluctant to me. If he had an attitude like Sarr, then I'd say yes let's keep him. I would like him to stay of course, but this season is all about getting promoted. We go up and worry about the rest at a later stage.

    Welbeck and Deeney are proven players who will deliver in the Championship. Sure Welbeck will always be an injury waiting to happen, but even in that mini run of games he had, you can see what he can do. He would find the Championship easy. Imagine we had Sarr, Welbeck and Deeney as forward options. Deulofeu as well from November. It would give us an amazing chance of promotion.

    That's the end goal. You wont get promotion with the feeble squad we've used to date.......but add this pedigree of quality and your chances of going up rise massively.
     
  3. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    I don't necessarily disagree, but what's this based on? He's been involved as much as Welbeck, has been in training more than Deeney, and I haven't seen a concrete quote from him saying he wants to leave. Just agent talk about clubs being interested, which we've also seen from Deeney and Welbeck. Deeney was also courting a PL move 5 minutes after we were relegated, live on Sky.
     
  4. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    It's the general message that creeps though. It's always negative with him, just as it was with Estupinan and that turned out to be true in his case. No smoke without fire and all that, and even though the club posted a few photos of him training, he's never given an interview, so you can't really gauge the truth of it all. You can only go on hearsay and rumour in these situations.

    But of course we live in hope that he likes it at Watford, but I think convincing these players will be far easier if some of the wantaway stars actually stayed. The announcement about Sarr and Deeney today helps a lot in that.
     
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  5. Rookery Refugee

    Rookery Refugee Reservist

    I think Welbeck knows his expiration date is approaching (if not past) for getting PL football (and perhaps one more sizable contract). Deeney is more comfortable with his finances and legacy - and while I'm sure he'd like another crack at PL football, he's likely not as concerned about his future - and thus more willing to risk injury in the Championship.
     
  6. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    As long as there is a moderate chance someone makes a sufficient bid for him, I'd be very surprised if the club interviewed him.

    I am not necessarily sure it is an issue of him not wanting to be at Watford, and more that he wants to be in the top flight this season. With the exception of maybe Domingos Quina, Tom Dele Bashiru and Ben Wilmot, I'd imagine that applies to every single one of our players.

    If we start using him and he plays well, and his profile and reputation continue to grow, I am sure that will change.
     
  7. Cude>2<

    Cude>2< First Team Captain

    But mentioned in same sentence as Geri who is expected to be gone shortly?
     
  8. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    I don’t think there’s that much evidence that Suarez wants out. He certainly hasn’t handed in a transfer request.

    Deeney is supposedly on £100k a week (according to Leventhal). That’s £5m a year, about a third of the average championship wage bill. If Deeney plays a lot this year then, again according to Leventhal, his expensive contract will be renewed for another season. How are we gonna move him on on that wage as he gets older? It’s financially foolish now, and even more so in the future. Welbeck is on a heavily incentivised deal so may be a different case. I would be shocked if Suarez was on more than £20k a week.
     
  9. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    According to Leventhal - who has shown with the Capoue news that he’s not in the loop with recruitment or sales.
     
  10. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    We don’t know that do we?
     
  11. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    If Danny is available, I would use him on Saturday especially if TD or Suarez are not available.
     
  12. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    The issue with Welbeck is his wage if he plays...
     
  13. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    He’s not. Else the club would have said so alongside Deeney and Sarr...
     
  14. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    In the scheme of things it would be worth it rather than start with Murray.
     
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  15. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    To be fair to AL - he said at the time that had come from Capoue's representatives.

    Maybe they just didn't want everyone knowing Capoue was kicking up a stink in case it didn't succeed.

    After it hasn't succeeded they have had to take more extreme measures.
     
  16. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Make up your mind Burnsey! Is it the money or that he is not available anyway :rolleyes:
     
  17. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    I suppose not. But the club certainly hasn’t publicised it.
     
  18. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Won’t find me disagreeing with that.
     
  19. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    It’s another fat £70k per week we can’t shift and don’t kid yourself it’s anything else. If he stays, it’s because he’s not very good.

    (And if he goes it’s because some chump hasn’t yet realised he’s not very good)
     
  20. I’m quite surprised that Welbeck hasn't had offers yet. He was free so can't imagine we're asking silly money.
     
  21. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Comes down to wages, I'd bet.

    With stadium income at 0 for what is increasingly looking to be like most if not all of the rest of the season, I would expect most contract offers are significantly lower than normal (excluding from the likes of Abu Dhabi City, who never played fair with cashflow anyway).

    Clubs might not be willing to match even the terms he had with us. He only made 8 starts for us last season, after all.
     
  22. Pob

    Pob Reservist

    But if he’s paid per appearance he can’t be earning much if he’s not playing so i’d have thought a prem team could match or beat what we’re paying him when he’s not playing. Surely were not paying him a bumper weekly wage plus 50k per match?

    If he stays, it makes sense of all parties to renegotiate his contract. He’s better off on 15k. per game than 50k if,it,men’s he some times plays.
     
  23. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Because they won't miss out on any gate receipts from the Emptyhad, amirite?
     
  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Think it was about that, £25k basic, £70k for the weeks in which he did play
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    We should play pretty much anyone instead of Murray.
     
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  26. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    With the reduction in money available to all clubs, I doubt many will be willing to take a huge punt on a player who has had such a recent poor history with injuries. Even a "mere" 25,000 a week is 1.3m a year. Outside of the top six, clubs very well might not be willing to take that risk right now. You can't as easily afford the luxury of gambles when revenues are lower.

    It doesn't matter how much they lose from empty stadiums, their owners will make it up in new well-over-market "sponsorship" deals.

    City could sell tickets for 1p every game if they wanted to and it would make no difference to the way they do business if their owners wanted to maintain the same level of spend. They don't play fair.
     
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  27. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    It was a glib joke, I know they don't need their fans to continue to be a huge economic force! Pretty sure they already basically give their tickets away, or at least some of them
     
  28. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Ah, sorry...went right over my head! :)
     
  29. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Another poor set of results this weekend, and you can see a Fulham, Sheffield United, Man Utd or Southampton panic and offer him a two year deal. We need the wages off the books so basically no fee required.
     
  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Probably not Man U but the other yes although it's probably defenders they need.
     
  31. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Imagine the fury if United go for Sancho all summer and end up signing Welbeck looooool
     
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  32. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Sheffield United don't seem like the kind of club Welbeck would go to, they have loads of middling forwards, they don't need another one. Southampton I don't think will be panicking yet, although he had been linked with them before. Fulham obviously have Mitrovic, I don't know who plays out wide for them, I could see that happening, West Brom as well as those two desperately need someone if they're seriously hoping to stay up
     
  33. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    My theory?

    No one is going to buy Danny Welbeck when they can get the exact same thing from Daniel Sturridge for free.
     
  34. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    West Brom might go for him.

    Or Deeney.

    Or Gray.

    Could we offer some kind of package deal, do you think?

    BOGOF?
     
  35. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    We must keep Gray, even if it means we sell Sarr, Suarez, King Ken and Hughes for £10m combined
     

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