Covid-19 Virus

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Hornet4ever, Jan 30, 2020.

  1. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    If the peak was on 23rd March, the day the lockdown was brought in, then it also demonstrates that the earlier governments social distancing advice given in early/mid March, had already started to work.

    Who would have thunk that, too?
     
  2. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Could we perhaps have a politics covid section and keep this one about non-political things?
     
  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Lol
     
  4. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    As demonstrated by Sweden, they don’t have an enforced lockdown but have measures more or less the same as we had before we went into a far more strict lockdown.
     
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  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes, but would it have been sufficient? 200k cases and lots of non-adherence at that point. Workplaces, shops etc none redesigned.

    It’s a fundamental flaw to look at the outcome of an action and say look, maybe we didn’t need the action.
     
  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    It'll never catch on.
     
  7. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I think it is a fundamental flaw to have made any hard and fast judgements of on what is/was right or wrong before we know far more than we do.
     
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  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Well let us know when the virus has killed sufficient oldies, bus drivers and healthcare workers for you to form an opinion.
     
  9. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    It's the teachers' turn to 'take one for the team' from 1st June.
     
  10. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    So R0 is back up to one before the lockdown was eased...open up the UK!
     
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  11. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    We can all have opinions, even based on constantly changing data and a torrent of fake news, edited videos and biased reporting in the media and social media. The fundamental flaw is assuming 100% that it is right, and that everyone that doesn't agree is 100% wrong.
     
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  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    0.7 to 1. And largely based on the continuing outbreak in care homes and hospitals.
     
  13. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild



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  14. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

  15. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Nadine Dorries.
     
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  17. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    'Fake news'. Corona is as safe as driving.
     
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  18. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Yes, Dorries, Starmer, you! I'm talking about all opinions.
     
  19. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    A good film here on the Danish school experience. Clearly a similar approach is the way forward here and that must be possible in the coming weeks.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world...opened-primary-school-in-the-time-of-covid-19

    But it needs to fit our circumstances. This is not Denmark, where there are smaller cities, more space and the seven year olds speak better English than Prince Harry.

    Denmark reopened its schools after a lockdown that saw 6.8k of cases and 321 deaths. It also had the infrastructure in place for testing and tracing.
    https://www.ft.com/content/de2027d4-5153-462b-a38d-75b7a5ddad17

    We can't pretend that teachers should simply do a Denmark. We have to have similar conditions. Let's hope talks go well and rather than simply threatening teachers with public humiliation we have evidence that shows we are ready to follow Denmark. Without question teachers will get the schools going again. It's not as if many haven't been at work anyway, albeit with few children.
     
  20. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Your previous post would have even a five year old shouting 'but, but, but, now hang on'. You are the absolute worst for those things. You can't even condemn Dorries squarely without a 'yeah but, what about so and so'. If you think that people you disagree with are not 100% wrong tell us what the unions have got right.

    No? then just give us your own bias and stop grandstanding.
     
  21. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  22. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Just going off the school my partner teaches in, a medium sized nice village primary, two members of staff (one teacher and a TA) have refused to work through this and are refusing to come back for the foreseeable future out of about 20 members of staff.

    Their names are dirt among the other teachers. Mainly because neither of them are considered high risk and both live alone. Going from what the good lady teacher says, there needs to be a cull (not in that way) of teachers who are bad at their jobs can’t be arsed but are basically untouchable thanks to their years in the job. I can see this bringing those issues to a head in schools.
     
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  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    And what’s the head going to do about it?
     
  24. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I have said that she was totally wrong. No "yeah, but"

    Plank.
     
  25. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I think your school is pretty lucky there are only two. In my local primary school it is a much larger proportion. Not much cooperation with the Head at all apparently.

    Just found out that my step-daughter's Form and English teacher at Whitmore School in Harrow back in the late 80's was a "Miss Bousted" who is now one of the leading union agitators of non-cooperation with getting the kids back to school, currently. Apparently, I met her twice at two open evenings, but I can't remember her.
     
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  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Show me where you did that without any weaselly excuse for her or had a pop at someone else.

    Muppet :)
     
  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Our daughter’s primary has already said they won’t be going back on 1 June. Communicated to us by email sent at 5pm this afternoon, which suggests they knew it would cause some controversy. They’ve recently surveyed parents to find out how many intended to send their Year R, 1 and 6 kids back on 1 June. No idea what the results were but another local primary school said they’d had 70% of parents respond saying they would. Our school also says it’s not running it’s key worker provision in half term (unlike when it continued during the Easter fortnight). I’d understand if they wanted half term off to prepare in the week before returning but it’s a bit of a liberty when they’ve already ruled that out.
     
  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Two squeaky wheels out of twenty is probably the norm for any organisation in the U.K. They sound a pain in the arse and will moan, but they won’t hold sway.
     
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  29. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    Back in the politics section, if you want to continue with your childish behaviour, please take it back there and I'll respond.
     
  30. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Scared to do owt by the sounds of it, she is ******* useless though.

    Working in a small, self contained workplace myself I love the vicarious drama and bitchyness of it.
     
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  31. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I think my point is made, but yes, you should keep it there.
     
  32. Bonkingbob

    Bonkingbob First Year Pro

    This is not the time for finger pointing. Sorry but it does no good for anybody. It'll all come out in the wash eventually but simply banging on about how everything is a balls up is simply untrue, nor is everything tickity boo, and trying to draw a line of how bad things have to be for somebody to agree with you is borderline sociopathic.

    Sometimes (all the time) there are situations where people who disagree have to put their grievances on the back burner and work constructively

    'see.. a million people have died, I toldya' is not the attitude to have.

    I do appreciate newton's 3rd is in full effect with your posts on here but this whole conversation is getting tiresome when your intillect could be better channelled.
     
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  33. Bonkingbob

    Bonkingbob First Year Pro

    Bolox that was the worst spelling mistake I could have made!
     
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  34. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I think you are misinterpreting my post, which was aimed at ZZ for his lukewarm support of the lockdown. He is taking this attitude precisely so he can say ‘told you so’.

    My point of view is that the lockdown is unfortunate, but necessary and he and others should have got behind it. They should also want the Govt to work constructively with people like teachers, for whom confidence is going to be an issue, rather than simply attack them. Hence my post on how Denmark got back to school.

    I’m frustrated precisely because certain people won’t drop their grievances and prejudices and work together. I have said (and you can check weeks back) that the lockdown can be short, but it has to be successful. In most respects that’s the Government position.
     
  35. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    That’s interesting because we had a newsletter from the Headmaster of my daughters’ secondary school yesterday, in which he said this (the name I’ve xxxxxed out is that of the Junior School’s Headmistress)

    “From Monday 1 June the Nursery, Reception, Year 1 and Year 6 will be back at the Junior School under strict social distancing and hygiene rules. Mrs xxxxxxx will circulate details of that shortly but it will require splitting classes into smaller groups or ‘pods’, staggered timings and very careful management of a bespoke timetable and regime.”

    The view from our school seems to be that getting the Yr 10 and Yr 12 kids back is more problematic:

    “The complication with both our 4th Year and L6th are their GCSE and A Level options. The Government suggest that the ‘pods’ or groupings of children inside school can’t change but that fails to take into account all their different combinations of subjects. The Government may relax the static membership of groups a little which would make teaching in school more feasible but we are in a quandary if they don’t. With the directive from the Government that “This will not be a return to full timetables or pupils back in school or college full time, rather some support to supplement pupils’ remote education” and with our remote learning going so well it would be a real loss to compromise the progress if we can’t teach as effectively within school because of restrictions as we can online.”

    So it seems like older pupils may get a better deal sticking with remote learning for now. Of course, that’s all well and good if you live in a household with plenty of devices, but where does that leave poorer pupils, or pupils with parents who are too busy to help or simply don’t care engage with their kids’ education for other reasons? I think children taking their GCSEs and A Levels next year are in a worse position than those whose exams were cancelled this year. Yes, there are those (& my daughter is one) whose results may not be as good as they might have been because they didn’t put huge effort into their mocks but were pushing on for the actual exams. But that’s on them - it was a level playing field. But I don’t feel that’s the case with remote learning. From conversations with friends who all have kids at senior school, it seems the level of teaching schools are able to offer varies massively, depending on class size/resources, etc
     

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