Conspiracy - What Do You Believe

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Ybotcoombes, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Didn't the BBC say that WTC 7 had collapsed before it had ? And by quite some time. The Pentagon is also very strange, along with the supposed crash of flight 93.
     
  2. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I believe that Dominic Cummings has left the government before the Brexit ship sinks in January. Poor old BJ
     
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  3. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    There's your "fascist regime" for you.
     
  4. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    Whilst it is fairly common knowledge that the intros for Pretty Vacant and Holidays in the sun were
    lifted from Abba "s.o.s" and The Jam "in the city" , the intro for GSTQ is "fire brigade" by the Move .
    Sorry for de-railment !!
     
  5. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    The moon landings are interesting tho because the photographic evidence does not stand up to much scrutiny. However that does not mean we never landed.
    The same can be said about the space station
    Why they have to have someone being interviewed with all their hair flowing about trying to convince us that they are in zero gravity is a mystery. Just put it in a bun elf'n'safety and all that .
    Also Tim Peake and his friends are always clean shaven and well groomed which also doesn't make much sense . Surely they should resemble the crew of a U-boat after 3 months being submerged?
    However this doesn't mean that it does not exist and the argument that they don't want anyone to see the technology etc is fair reasoning
     
  6. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I used to be absolutely convinced they never landed on the moon , I though if they did land get a massive telescope point it at the landing spot show me the moon lander which was left behind, job done. Reason for a conspiracy is fairly clear as well JFK promised they would land on the moon if the mighty USA couldn’t make it happen it would be a massive loss of face. Have seen 2 documentaries on it , one from the view point that they didn’t which was reasoned and well argued and one from the view point that they did whose main premise was of course we, did but it had very little in the way of actual argument. The main argument being it’s too big a conspiracy to cover up.

    I have mellowed a bit in recent years and believe that unlike JFK etc the truth must come out at some point , if China land on the Moon and there is no flag / lander the Americans are going to look pretty stupid. But equally if they didn’t land on the Moon wouldn’t the Russians and Chinese be doing every thing in their power to prove it never happened.

    the comparison to a submarine is interesting as you say you wouldn’t think remaining well shaved would be a priority or even possible all those little bits of hair flying around would cause havoc.

    as for the photos I saw something where the designer of the camera said the photos were not taken with that camera , but another plausible theory I have read is that the pictures are fake but the landing was real (came back with crap pictures so restaged them)
     
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  7. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Every year around about this time the leaves fall off the trees in my garden and I spend ages sweeping them up. The only explanation anyone has ever been able to give me for this weird annual phenomenon is that this is 'what happens in Autumn'. Has anyone heard any other theories - possibly involving the global elite drinking the blood of children - that might explain the falling leaves and bare trees?
     
  8. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    weird thing is have a tree in my garden where the leaves don’t fall off , they claim it’s because it’s a fir tree, I’m not convinced but I do drink the blood off children so may be something in it
     
  9. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Well, it's possible that someone doctored the H&W records but more likely that a crack team of very muscular frogmen swapped over the propellers before the ship left port, just in case half a century later someone would have the interest, money and technology to find the ship and visit it to check this out.
     
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  10. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    A simple google will take you to plenty of explanations of the BBC report you refer to. I was working in a news room on 9/11. I’ll never forget that afternoon. I had worked an early shift so was having some lunch and about to go home when a friend and colleague sitting opposite me said casually that a newswire had popped up saying a plane had crashed into the WTC. We assumed it was a small airplane. And then all hell broke loose. I cannot even begin to convey the sheer amount of information and misinformation that flooded in from that point. How fast things happened. The number of rumours flying around (at one point we were told there were planes heading for London). Being a financial news company, many of our colleagues were in that area of NY, some of whom we lost contact with during the afternoon and didn’t know if they were OK. (they were all fine, although the company did, in fact, lose two members of staff in a different department, who were working at a conference in the WTC) And while all this was going on, we were also going live on air or writing live news updates. I ended up working until the evening, went out for a couple of much needed drinks and was then back in the newsroom at 3am. If the BBC mistakenly reported that a building had fallen, that was no conspiracy. It would be a miracle if there had been no mistakes made in the live reporting of that event.
     
  11. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Why did I not know til now that only Americans have walked on the moon? I kind of just assumed there were always astronauts from Russia, China etc popping up there for little visits
     
  12. Bahrain Hornet

    Bahrain Hornet Academy Graduate

    I don’t think he’s gone anywhere! Just because the pictures show him leaving with a cardboard box and the headline Cummings leave post everyone believes he’s gone!!


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  13. Bahrain Hornet

    Bahrain Hornet Academy Graduate

    What about MKULTRA?
    Project Mockingbird?
    I’ve been told these are all the CIA building to what’s going on today?


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  14. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    There's a reflective disk on the moons surface that was placed there for laser measurements to take place between earth and the moons surface. Maybe we catapulted it up there.
     
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  15. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    not saying it wasn’t put there, but technology has increased exponentially since 1969, if we didn’t have the capability to land on the moon then doesn’t mean we didn’t develop the technology to land a remote device on the moon in the 30 years since.
     
  16. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    Hmm
    They have been bouncing signals off the surface (moon bounce/EME ) before 1969.
    Project Diana circa 1946 for example .
     
  17. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    guess project mockingbird turned into the stuff Edward Snowden talks about

    MKULTRA was just batshit crazy the stuff they admitted to was out three (remote viewing) so god knows what else they were doing (didn’t they experiment using LSD as a truth drug) . However guess that it was exploring things believed by ancient cultures like the Mayans / Native Americans who used drugs to enable themselves to do things like remote viewing.


    Kind of reminds of the Douglas Adam quoted “She had heard it said that humans are supposed only to use about a tenth of their brains, and that no one was very clear what the other nine-tenths were for, but she had certainly never heard it suggested that they were used for storing penguins.”
     
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  18. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    Interesting I never knew that (just looked it up) the bouncing signals off the moon has been used extensively as proof they must have landed on the moon
     
  19. Bahrain Hornet

    Bahrain Hornet Academy Graduate

    Tesla had a theory that the pyramids were not tombs and were actually used for creating electricity/ energy? Pure energy created from the earth/ atmosphere. That’s why he was supposedly removed as why would anyone want there being free, pure energy when the rich folk are selling everyone oil and gas?


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  20. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    This is very interesting.
    I know of a scientist who devised a system using the tides of seas/oceans to create energy
    The sea constantly moving in out in out creating free energy .
    Got warned off .
     
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  21. Bahrain Hornet

    Bahrain Hornet Academy Graduate

    Would put a lot of the richest folks at a disadvantage it would seem!


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  22. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    That is because they do have recycled water on board the ISS and solar power to run devices like electric shavers. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance orbiter took photographs of the Apollo landing sites.
    https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-sites.html

    This nonsense that it was a hoax like Capricorn One is just that. Nonsense. The Soviet Union would if they had any chance to discredit it would have done so immediately.
     
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  23. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    There are plenty of tidal energy schemes. Yes power suppliers the world over have been getting their claws into renewable power. And they have tried forcing governments away from solar power and indeed independent power generation by individuals using their own solar cells because it would mean they don't make the money. Solar power for a large part of the globe is the answer with more superior phototrapping systems and efficient conducting materials to power appliances of all sorts and energy storage devices far more reliable and efficient than those now. Hydroelectric has massive impacts on rivers and drainage basins while tidal schemes also have an effect of estuarine habitat.
     
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  24. reids

    reids Squad Player

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  25. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    pictures are interesting haven’t seen them before , but a long way away from definitive proof.
     
  26. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member


    I think those suggesting that it was an inside job need to look at themselves. Yes the attacks uncovered a pretty inept home defence and failure to act on information or indeed pass it on to those that needed it much as Edward Kimmel was hung out to dry when in charge at Pearl Harbour. Structural engineers, physicists, explosives experts and others have detailed and modelled the physical conditions caused by the two plane impacts on the structure, the effect of the high temperatures and shown that is quite sufficient to cause the structural collapses observed.

    It's sad to see the industry that conspiracy creation has become. It is part of the branches of fake news. Claiming alternative causes for events and just as bad as denying events existed when all the factual evidence is also quite contrary such as with this evil Erdogan and his ilk once more claiming the Armenian genocide never happened.

    If only more people were willing to use their brains in a rational, questioning fashion not pie in the sky nonsense the world would be a better place. Of course no one denies that governments do manipulate events and have done so in the past but the evidence is there that they have done so in documentation, eyewitnesses even material evidence. Manipulation goes on all the time as with the sleazy world of advertising. Just learn to rationally question sources and unpick evidence and sourcesas to whether it is genuine or not.
     
  27. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I think they pretty much are for all the landing sites including old surveying craft Ybotcoombes. All the scientific experiments including those measuring the solar wind on the Moon, the seismometers that have allowed an analysis of the structure of the Moon, the enormous number of photographs and of course the collection of rocks and regolith.

    Those denying it will say the photographs including those of the LRO are doctored. The rock samples are faked or actually taken from the Earth and passed off as such and all the telemetry too. Given that the US seems intent on still sending a human crew off to the Moon again we will see those landing sites in person once again with HD cameras. And what of all the other unmanned missions ? From the US and Russia from Venera to Cassini. Is that all faked as well ? Or the low earth orbits of the ISS and in it's time Soyuz or the Shuttle being deployed to launch satellites or repair Hubble. Men albeit not many have walked on the Moon. It took enormous effort, money, minds and huge numbers of workers from some of the leading companies in the US. Not one person has to my recollection said that they were involved in a cover up.
     
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  28. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Yes, not clicked on your video but I remember watching a few documentaries and the TT were made of Stella which melts, I specifically remember an expert saying “never trust trusses” as in steel trusses. I seem to remember even a relatively old building in Canary Wharf was highlighted as having a concrete core and thus would never suffer the same fate.
     
  29. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    thing about conspiracy theories is 99% of the clearly rubbish and easily dismissible (flat earth springs to mind), some of them are callous (Sandy hook) and some of them are plausible and endure (JFK) but the best way of dismissing something is to brand it a conspiracy as most people automatically associate with something like “double decker bus found on the moon”

    fake news is interesting , a term pretty much introduced by Trump who is clearly one of the biggest purveyors of fake news that there is.
     
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  30. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Probes from various countries have imaged landing sites, the latter ones you can see the tracks in the dust from the lunar rovers.

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  31. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    im not saying it’s not , it could be , but hardly clear cut , and being slightly mischievous how come it has enough detail to see the path of the rover in the dust and even the footpath of astronauts, but it’s not detailed enough to see the rover itself
     
  32. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Here's a conspiracy theory for you:-

    Biden won't last more than a few months, before the Democrats real choice for President will step into his soon to be dead shoes.

    They only picked him as their candidate because America is not yet ready for a female of colour to be elected President , so they made their real choice his running mate so she could step in after Joe's sudden and imminent demise.
     
  33. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I can't answer the fine detail, however when I was doing my first dissertation for my degree in physics, the subject was interplanetary trajectories, I wrote to NASA and they sent me a lot of detailed stuff regarding the Apollo missions as well as the Viking missions. It was a lot of work for a film studio, it was real.
     
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  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Not heard that one before. Is that the successor to the ‘he’ll pull out of the debates’ conspiracy theory or the ‘the Democrats will replace him on the ballot before election day’ conspiracy theory?
     
  35. WatfordÉire

    WatfordÉire Squad Player

    As a pilot I can confirm that 9/11 was an outside job, Jet A1 fuel cannot melt steel beams, the earth is indeed flat and chemtrails are most definitely real.

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