Conspiracy - What Do You Believe

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by Ybotcoombes, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    Didn’t want to derail the covid thread so thought I would start another

    now I’m not a nutter (don’t believe in a flat earth), but there are several conspiracies I think are plausible

    I believe that the titanic didn’t sink it was her sister ship (insurance job)

    not convinced we landed on the moon

    Believe that the ancient alien theory is at least credible

    Anybody else ?
  2. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Are you sure?
  3. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

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  4. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    I think that the 2019 Cup final was a hoax, it never happened.
  5. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    They checked the Titanic propeller item numbers with a ROV and they matched those at Harland & Wolff. The ship that sank was the Titanic not Olympic. The sinking and loss of life is just as with all disasters a combination of factors. One of the main ones being the desire to speed through an ice field ignoring warnings from nearby ships despite the coal fire in one of her bunkers. Patient research and logical analysis for instance of sea temperature recordings at the time show why Walter Lord much maligned for many years perceived the Titanic the way he did. The rockets, the size of the vessel and indeed why Freddie Fleet did not see the berg sooner and not just because it was a flat calm.
  6. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I think somewhere there are some very rich punters in Indonesia..........allegedly. :p
  7. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    fairly sure , but am stuck at home on my iPad rather than having a social beer with my mates in a pub, so it might be getting to me
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  8. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    always hated that song, more of a metal fan
  9. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    well I am sure we could convince at least a few people that it was a hoax
  10. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    The key to a good conspiracy is it has to be plausible and the oldest maritime insurance fraud is boat switching..I watched something on it a long time ago (way before they discovered the wreck) and found it quite compelling.

    This was the gust of it

    obviously I don’t know for sure, it just seems like the kind of thing that would happen
  11. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    That there was a conspiracy to keep the Sex Pistols off the number 1 spot during the silver jubilee
  12. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    You're absolutely right about marine fraud. No evidence, no survivors and a healthy wad of cash. Sam Willis covered this in his BBC4 series Shipwreck about the unscrupulous owners of the 17th and 19th centuries who would send men out on the coffin boats as they were called. It was only with the staggering number of deaths and men like Samuel Plimsoll that action was taken. But in the case of SMS Titanic I don't see it as plausible in any shape or form.
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  13. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    Well there were three sister ships, the Titanic, Olympic and Britannic. Whichever way you look at it two of those sunk before their time, insurance scam or not.
  14. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    wasnt that actually confirmed ?
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  15. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    I don’t believe it, but 9/11 obviously has some big conspiracies around it. Wasn’t there a building caught on CCTV that collapsed before the planes hit, or is that complete ********?
  16. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Yeah that was less conspiracy theory, more actual fact.
  17. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Regarding Covid, after the way the US behaved regarding the trade deal, it isn’t a stretch to imagine the Chinese engineered it to scuttle the western economies. I don’t believe it, but it’s plausible.
  18. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    The Trump golden shower video one is definitely true.
  19. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I believe 911 was more than what was presented.
  20. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    What's the ancient alien theory? Is that the one that claims the pyramids were built by aliens?
  21. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I remember watching 9/11 unfold live on TV, was probably one of the most shocking things I have ever witnessed , hard to believe that somebody would let that happen but are certainly plenty of rumours around (modern day Pearl harbour / insurance job etc etc) . One of the most bizarre things was watching Bush react when he was told
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  22. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Reservist

    Not sure if it counts as a conspiracy theory but I think the idea that Jesus was in fact a Buddhist monk, as explained in this BBC documentary, is quite compelling imo:

  23. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    sort of , if you look at a lot of the iconography / history of lots of ancient religions they are rooted in the idea that the gods came from the stars (ancient aliens) and a lot of them triangulate very closely. When you look at a lot of ancient architecture like Machu Picchu the idea that it was built with people with primitive tools, that carried 100 tonne rocks up a mountain just doesn’t seem plausible , it doesn’t mean it was built by aliens it’s just means that the historians explanation isn’t plausible.
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  24. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    will give it a watch
  25. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Yes, definitely the most shocking and surreal event I’ve experienced unfold, even more so than Covid simply because it happened instantly. I remember the Bush thing as well, I also seem to remember that even though all planes were grounded, members of the Bin laden family were allowed to flee the country in planes.

    As an aside, I watched Vice the other day, another quiet extraordinary body transformation by Christina Bale, it also shows how little control Bush actually had over anything and what an idiot he really was.
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  26. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    havmt seen it (will give it a go), but amazing how many conspiracies Cheney etc appear in
  27. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Sorry but 9/11 conspiracy theories are utter nonsense imo. I worked as a journalist in the City at the time and can’t say that any of those conspiracy stories had any credibility.
  28. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    Zimmerman telegram ?
    USS Maine ?
    Eisenhower's death camps ?
  29. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Is that a ‘conspiracy’’? Who is ‘conspiring’ and covering stuff up?

    It sounds more like an alternative hypothesis.
  30. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    That the Disney film "white wilderness" is one of many publications to brainwash and or to test
    the gullibility of humans in order to control through misinformation.
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  31. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

  32. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I think the thing about conspiracy theories is that sometimes they are how people make sense of something happening that should never happen , how could 2 planes fly into a tower block in New York , surely we have safeguards in place, surely we have more sophisticated intelligence then Al Quaede etc.

    I think the CIA believed something would happen on 9/11 but completely misjudged the scale , up until then a typical attack might be loan bomber or an embassy , I think they underestimated AL Quaed’’s capacity. There is an excellent BBC documentary maker called Adam Curtis and a few of his films cover this kind of area (particularly fear of nightmares)
  33. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    Yes your probably right , I think it gets bundled under conspiracy as a lot of the ancient astronaut theories also include the idea that the governments know about alien involvement and are in contact with them - which is the bit i struggle with.

    the one thing I have never got my head round is that if aliens regularly visit the planet then how come their are no compelling photos of space ships , a celebrity cant even take a piss these days without someone snapping it on their phone , yet nobody has taken a picture of a flying saucer that is creíble. Also in the case of UFO crashes we are supposed to believe that they have the knowledge to travel here from distance planets , but when they get here they crash with relatively regular occurrence - doesn’t seem plausible.
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  34. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I remember when you went to the cinema and would have cartoons, then a mini film , then the main film , I saw this film back then , was very young. Never thought about it before , but It does beg the question why the **** would Disney make something like this up. I think QI have covered before and the idea that lemmings commit suicide is pretty much down to this film.
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  35. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    only one I have heard of is USS Maine (I think), basically it looks like Spain sunk an American ship in the port of Cuba which enables America to enter the Cuban - Spanish civil war to support Cuba, similar in idea to Pearl Harbour and 9/11, one of the original false flag events. Seems plausible USA looking for a legitimate way to enter the Cuban Spanish civil war, especially when you consider the long running fascination the USA has with Cuba

    just looked up the other two, both interesting , never heard of the reclassification of German prisoners of war from POW to disarmed enemy forces (DEF) to avoid the Geneva Convention.
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2020
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