Ched Evans

It's a bit weird this idolisation you have for him, especially at your age.

 

I'm sure I saw something about the girl saying she was going to be rich etc?

Anyway how I see it is most people seem to be bitter/jealous about the money he's earning rather than the fact he is earning. If he was to go play non-league football for a £100 a week I don't think anyone would care.

People are bitter that he could earn 10k a week rather than the fact he's a rapist full stop so no society hasn't done good.

Society is fickle.

 

I don't! But for me it's simple. He committed a very serious crime. (His continuing to appeal his innocence is an entirely separate matter). He went to prison for it. Quite right. After serving half his sentence he got let out. Standard practice. Then he gets tried a second time by the 'court of public opinion' who think they have the right to decide what job he should now be able to do and don't want him to have one that's well paid and has a public profile. Who are they to decide what job he can do? Why don't they just back off, mind their own damn business and get on with their day jobs?

So I want him to succeed to play professional football again. Not for him particularly. But to stick it to these damn busybodies.

 

It's worked out how it should have. Sheff Utd assessed whether picking up a decent striker for free outweighed the negative PR they would get. They thought it would. As it happened, the public were outraged and Sheff Utd had to re-assess. As a result Evans doesn't get a job.

It's been a round about route, but it ends up being the same judgement made when a normal company is considering hiring a convicted rapist.

 

I do think Sheff Utd have done the right thing, but the pressure put on to the club by people with no interest in football is a concern.

 

Perhaps you and the 'outraged public' might like to submit a list of acceptable jobs for future reference then so we can all be clear exactly how difficult you'd like to make it to rehabilitate offenders who have already satisfied the punishment a court of the land imposed.

 

Kelso - if you look at my past posts, I was someone who was arguing that Evans should play. However, my main concern was that he wasn't hit by some arbitrary FA ban. At least the free market has spoken. Sheff Utd have worked out that the negatives of employing Evans outweight the positives and made a rational decision. I don't agree with it. But if that is the weight of public opinion then the free market has done it's jobs as Sheff Utd act to protect their brand.

 

Many, probably most, ex cons find it difficult to get any meaningful employment after release. Don't see why he should have favourable terms just because he's a footballer. If you're in the public eye and commit one of the most heinous crimes then you have to accept that the public will have it's opinion.

 

Fair enough. And I'm not blaming the Blades either. But it would be nice to see another club stand up and say to the baying mob - you're bang out of order, back off coz this guy's gonna play for us and sod the consequences.

 

I don't think he should have favourable terms. I think all 'ex-cons' should find it easier to gain meaningful employment. Otherwise they might as well go back to a life of crime. And it's one probable reason why so many of them do. But the braying public won't recognise their part in that. Oh no. Nothing to do with us guv. They're just bad men for evermore.

 

I also hope he wins his appeal. Firstly because the conviction still seems pretty dodgy to me. And secondly to see what the 'braying mob' do then. Will they back off or still be all 'no smoke without fire'?

 

People rape because they can't pay their way? I didn't look at it like that and now I'm in full agreement with you.

 

I hope he wins his appeal as well, if he is innocent and not based on if I think a case I read about in the paper sounds dodgy!

 

Do you think by not being employed he will return to what he's been convicted of? If he came to me for a job I would not employ him.

 

Not what I meant at all.

 

Nope. How about some ideas on where he might get a job then? Seems like you're keen on creating one hell of an angry young man. Go on. The floor's yours. What are your recommendations for Ched Evans' rehabilitation?

 

All I'm hearing is what this guy can't do. Is there anyone with a single suggestion around what he can do?

 

Out of interest, how can a man be raped?

A man has to actually say no instead of not saying yes right?

Genuine question as I wonder if this female actually ever said no?

 

A man can be raped when someone has sex with him without his consent.

Not saying no, doesn't mean yes.

 

Looks like Sheff United have (begrudgingly) done the right thing

I don't believe that any official body should 'ban' Evans, but you would hope that clubs would self-regulate and not hire him. He may have done his time but I find his lack of remorse, responsibility and continued attempts to smear the victim despicable

 

If he believes he's innocent what else would you expect him to do?

 

I would expect him and his family not to set up a website and illegally post CCTV of the victim in addition to numerous unfounded allegations accusing her of all sorts of things

His behaviour has been a disgrace

 

Evans is probably the only one of us that 100% knows the truth - regardless of the court decision. So the question is slightly, but fundamentally different.

It should be, if he KNOWS he is innocent, how would you expect him to behave? In which case, his disgraceful behaviour becomes more understandable.

Just playing devils advocate here.

 

unfounded? ... when the story first broke and she was named half of Cardiff's menfolk tweeted they'd all been there - and that her parents should've named her Raleigh ...

there's only one victim in this case and IMO it isn't her.

 

Yeah, I'm sure you'd never make CCTV footage public if you were arguing you were wrongfully convicted of rape. Producing objective evidence when fighting to clear your name is wholly unreasonable.

 

I'd give him a job in my raping factory.

 

Fact - Sexually active people can't be the victims of crime

 

Not sure all that stuff's gonna get the verdict overturned though. As I understand the law (not very well), it's only fresh evidence surrounding what happened on the night in question that might swing it for him. He's gotta find something new about that night that the jury weren't able to consider before. The 'victim's' previous sexual history and promiscuity is irrelevant.

P.S. Hit dislike in error. Apologies.

 

A fine line but a fair point. Of course he might also believe that what happened couldn't possibly be construed as rape although the law begs to differ. In which case he's on a very sticky wicket.

 

I wonder if people's opinions would be the same if it was Watford considering signing him.

 

Absolutely the same. It's a point of principle. We should consider signing him if we need striker cover for the second half of the season. Apparently no-one likes us anyway. So let's go for broke.

 

sure they can when there's money to be made

 

Yet another victory for mob rule over a civilized system for punishment and rehabilitation of offenders - but that seems to be the way we're heading.
I was astounded by a story that appeared on my Facebook page the other day. A woman suspected a neighbour of sexually assaulting her child, so cut his throbbing, dripping, 10" of manhood off (sorry, I wanted to use the medical term, but that was apparently unsuitable for minors and appeared as *****) She was spared jail.
Given those bare facts of this case, the story generated thousands of 'likes' and comments such as "Too F***ing right", "I'd have done the same" and "at last, some proper justice"
No one seemed to have picked up on the word "suspected".

 

That's awful but Ched Evans was convicted and an appeal was thrown out.

 

Hmm l would love to hear the logistics of that