Ched Evans

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by Rostrons Red Card, Aug 13, 2014.

  1. Rostrons Red Card

    Rostrons Red Card Reservist

    Blunts fan on the news just said other players have done worse than rape. I'm struggling to think of any without Google.

    Any suggestions?

    I don't think Luke McCormick's manslaughter though awful was worse.

    Can't believe they're even considering employing him.
     
  2. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    He's not the kind of character who'll come out of prison and bang goals in.
     
  3. MarlonsCellMate

    MarlonsCellMate Reservist

    Struggling to think of any because i can't think of many things worse than rape.
    Lee Hughes? That was pretty awful if my memory serves.
     
  4. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    The thing with death by dangerous driving is nobody deliberately does it. Nobody "accidentally" rapes somebody.
     
  5. MarlonsCellMate

    MarlonsCellMate Reservist

    Not the accident part of the crash but the fleeing the scene of the crime part. Again, happy to be proved wrong if I am remembering false details.

    Also the getting behind a wheel while drunk means there is a degree of responsibility.
     
  6. iamofwfc

    iamofwfc Squad Player

    Its about time football owners & managers make a stance against scum like this, what is wrong scum like this will come out of jail and clubs will be in a line to offer wages more than any amount any of us can dream of earning, look at Marlon King, The wigan owner wrote of a £6M asset out of principle but there was no shortage of clubs wanting to throw money at him, Big fat Ron one slip of the tongue, will never work in football again.
     
  7. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    Saying that we kept Deeney.
     
  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    If you're drunk when you kill someone I would say you have to take a big chunk of the blame.
     
  9. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Not defending Evans for a moment, but McCormick was both drunk and speeding and killed a 10 year old and an 8 year old. In my book that is worse than the details of the Evans case. Nonetheless McCormick is back in the Plymouth goal this season.
     
  10. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc Squad Player


    Drunk driving after 10 pints and killing someone doesn't make you any worse a person than drunk driving after 10 pints and getting home safely in my book. Both are wrong and risked the lifes of others.
     
  11. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Jesus wept - Plymouth made him club captain in the summer. Subtle way to wipe salt in the wounds of the parents of the dead kids. What a disgrace of a club.
     
  12. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Yep - both equally vile things to do. The only difference is the one that got home got lucky (thankfully for the other road users). The crime is the 10 pints of course.
     
  13. CarlosKickaballs

    CarlosKickaballs Forum Picarso

    Yes but it isn't worse than rape because the idiot didn't get in his car to intentionally do it.
     
  14. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    I don't see the point in debating the relative ethics of rape versus drunk driving. They're both heinous and there isn't much more to say.

    Oddly enough, drunk driving isn't even a felony on first offence in this state. Laughable.
     
  15. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    The sentencing appears to judge McCormick's as the worse of the two vile crimes so I'm not sure you can definitively decide on behalf of everyone what is the worse crime.

    Anyway, I'm not sure who is the worst offender is really the point.
     
  16. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Really? They just slap your wrist and send you on your way? Blimey. I remember being in a pub in Houston and I was being actively encouraged not to bother getting a taxi when I intended to get drunk. Took 3 requests before the guy gave in and ordered me one.
     
  17. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Did Ched Evans really rape anyone though? .... I know he was convicted but as jack straw demanded a 100% conviction rate on sex crimes the odds were always going to be stacked against him. Basically that means if you're charged you're guilty and you can forget about an appeal.

    Just saying like ... because I thought she was gold digging.
     
  18. iamofwfc

    iamofwfc Squad Player

    Would you rather your daughter be raped or murdered by and drunk driver, whatever your answer clubs should have an agreement to wash their hands of these scum. Pro footballers are very lucky to have such ability and can afford taxis and not think women have the right to turn their advance down. Has similar incidents occurred in Germany, Italy or Spain at all ?
     
  19. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Pretty much, they consider it a civil matter the first time.

    Even the second one isn't considered a crime if it's more than 10 years after the first!

    The amount of alcohol people will drink before getting in a car around here is utterly ludicrous. Every time I go out on a work event about 95% of those in attendance will be well over the UK limit and still drive home. People are consider it quite quaint that I refuse to drink any alcohol at all if I'm driving (although my wife likes it!).
     
  20. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    This is a website set up in support of Evans so will be subject to favourable spin, but if the facts are true then this looked a hard one for the jury. The verdicts were 1 player guilty, 1 player innocent.

    http://chedevans.com/key-and-undisputed-facts
     
  21. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    WTF are you talking about. If a bird climbs into bed with me I'd like to think she's up for it. Anyway just how drunk was she because it's hardly an excuse for promiscuity?
    My daughter is eighteen, she can climb into bed with whoever she wants so long as she wants to and I trust she's sensible enough not to lead lads on if she doesn't.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2014
  22. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    There is CCTV footage on that website of the night in question of the foyer so you can judge for yourselves how plastered she was. Never really looked at this case before to be honest, but I simply don't understand how one is guilty and one is innocent. If she doesn't remember anything and can't consent then they are both guilty surely?
     
  23. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    It's always hard to tell when most of what you're reading is based off media reports, but even at the time I felt this case seemed off.

    My feeling back then was that this case is one of the unfortunate occurrences of next day regret leading to a rape accusation. Looking that website over, even acknowledging the fact it's biased, has done nothing to dissuade me from that line of thinking.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2014
  24. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Convicted by the Murdoch press if you ask me
     
  25. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    I hate 'rape' cases like this rape for me provokes a forceful image.

    A girl getting so drunk that she slept with a rich footballer and then woke up in the morning and felt bad isn't really rape. I do have to question his motives, he could surely get a sober girl if he wanted he was on 15/20k odd weren't he? I just thibk girls have it easy and are are very protected, they were both drunk so how do we know who iniated it?
     
  26. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc Squad Player

    I was going to disagree and say if you are too drunk to say yes then taking advantage is rape, but then I googled the name and saw the website in his defense.
    The case seems to be that she was too drunk to consent - yet in the CCTV can easily walk in huge heals to go back outside to collect the pizza they forgot.
    http://www.chedevans.com/judge-for-yourself
     
  27. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    My problem is if she's drunk and says fxxk me and you're drunk so you agree where would the blame lie?

    This may sound stupid but why is it the male who's wrong too? What if he can't remember what happens? Some girl took him to her hotel and slept with him who's to blame then?
     
  28. hornmeister

    hornmeister Administrator Staff Member

    Unless you were a member of the jury you can't make a considered judgement. Evans was convicted and has served his time. As far as we know it was out of character and not premeditated. As such he deserves a second chance.
     
  29. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    At the end of the day he would have served his punishment, but that by no means that it's acceptable any more or less than Troy Deeney. But would you rather he was back in football, earning and paying his taxes or would you rather he was on the dole and not contributing? I don't know what the employment rate is for ex-convicts but I imagine it is far worse than for everyone else; therefore there is no valid reason to deny him his career.
     
  30. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Getting a pizza on after taking a bird back on a night on the **** is pretty reprehensible IMO.
     
  31. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I heard the Blunts Chairman speak on the issue yesterday and, to be fair to him, he only said he would employ Evans if he was found to be not guilty after all the appeals, etc.
     
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2014
  32. Godfather

    Godfather bricklayer extraordinaire

    Nonsensical as usual ... but this time I'll put it down to poor grammar.
     
  33. NortholtHorn

    NortholtHorn Reservist

    Didn't Graham Rix have some affair with a 15 year old? Just as bad if not worse.
     
  34. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Wise man say: too many blunts makes a bit of a twunt.
     
  35. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    You are right, that post was a mess.
     

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