Did he even train with the squad? Did the new coach get a look at him? Nope. Nothing is changing down there. Just a new set of flowers in the window.
I don't know if it's ever been said on here, but I heard a strange rumour from someone who would know about Peneranda. I can't remember exactly what it was, but he was involved in some weird underground activity with some south american pimp.
Wondered if this club might also take Isaac Success off our hands - but then looked at their squad and realised they already have a Nigerian player called Seth Sincere. I’m not even joking...
Usual clowns making decisions in their own perceived wider interests. The manager is a complete irrelevance. How can Peneranda not get a chance in the Championship or at least to show the new boss what he can do. Our setup is a complete joke and I can't stand it.
I agree with every word. What I would perhaps temper it with a bit though (just in this case anyway) is that Penaranda hardly comes across as someone who wants to make the most of his talent and it’s not hard to join the dots and see he’s very unlikely to be a player Ivic would warm to.
Personally I would have liked to have him as an option, but he maybe a little too silly for Ivic. I remember Pearson saying he was a lively character, but he is talented. Unless we ship in a few players, we seem to be getting very thin on the ground for alternative options. Ok, nothing has been confirmed, but then nothing ever is, but we're losing Welbeck, Deulofeu, Pussetto, Penaranda & Pererya as forward options. We are only left with a couple of good players and some real dregs. Remaining would be Suarez, Deeney, Pedro, Sarr.....ok all good, but we're entering a very physically demanding league and we'll have to rotate without losing too much quality. Sema maybe around and I think he'll do ok, but then you've got the rubbish in Gray, Success and Sinclair. Seriously, they cannot be considered as viable options for us. We do need a big squad and the way it's shaping up, we'll only really have a first choice XI. Beyond that, we're going to struggle with injuries. It's not a position we should find ourselves in.
And yet our precious fanbase cries whenever a player/coach does the club dirty or says publicly they want to leave. I'm shocked any player would want to play for us. That's probably why we are being lumbered with lumps that can't even get a game in Serie B.
Nothing official yet but the way it's being reported in some quarters this may be a permanent move. I think in this case Penaranda's attitude has done for him, not his ability or promise. I listed several problems he's had with coaches while on loan and they publicly criticised him, even excluding him from the squad completely at Eupen. When that holiday video came out I think that was the last straw as far as Watford were concerned. Not one club has played him regularly since that break out U20 World Cup where he showed so much potential. Watford are far from perfect with how they handle players at times but I think Penaranda himself is the main reason his career has gone nowhere. Or Turkey as it turns out.
Judging by the fact that Peñaranda did absolutely sod all on loan at Udinese, Malaga and Eupen and got involved in some weird sex party scandal whilst on holiday this summer AND played almost no football under several managers whilst at Watford suggests to me that maybe, just maybe, his attitude is off and this particular basket case isn't the club's fault. This article backs up my argument. Even he admits that he could have done better. https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/s...o-penaranda-spoken-immaturity-time-kas-eupen/ Shame really. A lot of young kids would kill to have the talent that he has, but as Luke O'Nien and many others have proven, it's not all about talent and nothing is more important than attitude and hard work. For what it's worth, he's at an age where I believe he can claw back his career but as far as I'm concerned, his time should be up at Watford. He's shown nothing whilst contracted to the club and it would be best for both parties if he got off to a fresh start elsewhere and on a permanent basis.
Peneranda is a poster child for Pozzo player trading project that treats young players like commodities and does little to benefit Watford. It’s no surprise young players struggle with their methods. That’s not so say Peneranda may not be a bad apple, but it’s yet another case of Pozzo failing to manage a young man’s career, and as you say one with so much potential. See also Success and Dahlberg will be next. Lukebakio was also treated poorly but he overcame the Pozzo handicap. Our owners methods are a destructive influence on these young players and leave our club balance sheet in a mess and for me it will be a great day when they leave.
No no. It's not the club. It's the 70 young players that have never made it under the Pozzos. Good attitude or otherwise.
Penaranda - 'bad attitude', great potential, not good enough. Luke O'Nien - 'great attitude', decent player, not good enough. It's a remarkably small landing zone for any young player to make it at our club. But of course, 'if they were any good, they'd have been poached by a big club' or whatever.
The club is far from perfect, but you can only lead a horse to water and you cannot make it drink. At some point, players have to take responsibility for their own actions. Why didn't he take his chances at Malaga, Udinese or Eupen? Google his name and you'll find reports of him turning up late to training as well as the one of I have referenced about. The case surrounding Dahlberg is an odd one and I agree that he has not been managed correctly at all. However, you mentioning Success to me just weakens your argument. He looked good in the game he played against Bournemouth several years ago when he scored, but has hardly played since. Whenever he did play, he looked like a headless chicken out there. Again, maybe he just didn't develop into the player we thought he would become or maybe his attitude is off. Who knows. The fact that these 2 jokers have played so little football under so many Watford managers suggests to me that for whatever reason, they just aren't good enough.
Not sure whose argument that is. The benchmark to play at a Premier League club is high. I would love nothing more than to see the club play young players, especially seeing as we had the average 2nd oldest starting XI in the league last year. Maybe our head coaches have had too restrictive a mindset when it comes to playing younger players. However, considering how dog***** and turgid our performances we were last season, and the mishaps that Peñaranda and Success have got themselves has hardly helped their cases has it?
I accept the point on bad behaviour. However I think our training and development is poor. Both physically and mentally. Both via internal training development and loan planning. For me it’s a dated model that doesn’t benefit the club or the players. It leads to low morale or at least a feeling that everyone is passing through. It may have marginal financial benefits, but that is dwarfed by us having £50m more “other expenses” than Palace over 3 years, £75m more than Burnley. I think the club may look a poor state at the end of this season both on the pitch and financially, unless we go up again and it doesn’t look promising squad wise to me right now.
Bloke was very promising at Granada all those years ago before he got his residency, so what do we do? Let's just ship him off to Udinese and lengthen the process, just for the sheer hell of it. Would he have made it here had he managed to get all of that business sorted out earlier? God knows, but we didn't help him. I know in this market it's gonna be hard to shift our deadwood, but it's still kind of annoying that it's yet another loan for him, hopefully we get a decent loan fee for him
That's hard for me to comment on as I don't know anything about our training and development. If I were the Director of Football and I were trying to sign some young Latin American hotshot for the club, my pitch would simply be along the lines of "We understand that your dream is not to play for Watford. You have goals of winning medals and playing for the best clubs in the world etc. However, we can help you get there. Work your ******* arse off at Watford and in 2/3 years, when the right bid comes in and on our terms, we'll sell you on. However, the following is what we expect from you both on and off the pitch... The following is what we will do to help you settle into your new surroundings and get assimilated as quickly as possible so that you can reach your potential with us." Perhaps the club have the above approach already. Perhaps not. I hope they do though, or will at least refine their strategy so as to avoid the emergence of passengers at the club, as we've all seen how that turns out.
The emphasis is no longer on producing players from the youth set up. It hasn't been since the Posso's took over. We have transfer based owners now so hoping for any throwback to the days of Lee Hodson, Adam Thompson or Dale Bennett will just leave anyone disappointed. And let's be honest. How many kids coming through Harefield before the Pozzo's have gone on and done anything? Ashley Young and Jadon Sancho are the only two who spring readily to mind though I'm sure there must be a couple more doing something at Championship level or higher. Assombalonga maybe. The truth is the academy has produced League One & Two level players for a long time but most are of a lower standard than that. The way the Pozzo's have operated in terms of young players is well known. It was before they owned Watford so any player and their representative would have known what was going to happen. Unless they were exceptional from the off it was always loans away from the parent club. What they did get was a lengthy contract and security into their early to mid twenties while the majority would have been playing in European leagues. As El distraido says though, at some point the players have to take responsibility for their own actions and take the chances put before them. The last thing any young footballer can afford to do is think they've made it because there are a lot of hungry players waiting to grasp the opportunity you're not taking. At the moment we're seeing the last of the South American batch we took from Granada and the like, mostly because the loan rules are changing. You're also right Jumbolina, it's also become an outdated way of operating anyway because so many clubs were looking to do what was initially unique to the Pozzo's. They will have to change their approach to survive or at least tweak their methods. As for 70 players released in the last 8 seasons; how does that compare with clubs in the top two divisions in a comparable time scale and what was the number in the preceding 8 seasons? I noticed Brighton have a former WFC academy player on a 2-year scholarship amongst their new intake. Does that mean we can't keep hold of the best ones here or do we have better players in his age bracket already at the club who will have time and money invested them? From what I've seen over the last few seasons the younger players coming into the U23s do look better each year. Whether they'll be up to Championship standard or even Premier League level is another thing though.
But the question is are the club still pursuing it? Looking at the past year or two it seems like they're liquidating it, trying to flush all the turds it produced. I don't think we've seen anywhere near the number of acquisitions coming through our books.
Good question. We shall see. Hopefully they can be more focused on the club rather than their army of loanees. Even if they have they’ve missed the boat alas.
