Academy And Under-23s

Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by wfc78, Aug 14, 2012.

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  1. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Good assessment in all.

    Lo-Everton definitely needs to go out on loan and be tested in mens football, it would be a waste to have him playing U23 football next season. They do need to find the right type of club for him though.
     
  2. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    The “#8” is the more box-t0-box CM, basically what Doucoure was for most of his time with us (with the the “#6” being the more deep-lying DM e.g. Capoue, and the the “#10” being an attacking midfielder or second-striker, e.g Zinckernagel.
     
  3. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    This is outrageous. The #6 is clearly the Alan Garner/Ian Bolton role. Who agreed these changes and why wasn't I consulted ?
     
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  4. Aylesburyorn

    Aylesburyorn Academy Graduate

    Blu lo Everton has gone to Wealdstone on loan till end of season
     
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  5. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

    Hardly seems worth it.
    How many games do they have remaining?
     
  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Eleven.
    The National league doesn't finish until the end of May - it was badly hit by c19 & winter weather. Wealdstone 'may' be involved with a relegation battle.
     
  7. Aylesburyorn

    Aylesburyorn Academy Graduate

    Erm relegation was scrapped weeks ago....
     
  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Ooops.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Scored today.

    Unfortunately Hartlepool netted 7.
     
  10. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Terrible day for any Wealdstone-based Hornets! At least Lo-Everton scored though, I make it his first senior game?
     
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  11. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    There's going to be a big shake up in the academy. Richard Thomas has been removed from his position with immediate effect and more to follow.

    AL has also written a piece on this, and although he's not stated we are going to apply to be Cat One, he has quoted a source saying Watford need a strong category one academy director overseeing things.

    The club want more players coming through to the first team and things have to change in order to get this realised.

    Exclusive: Watford plan academy shake-up with manager Richard Thomas the first to leave – The Athletic
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    We get through as many youth team coaches as 1st team managers!

    Not sure it does much for our reputation.
     
  13. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    It's a very difficult task for us to bring any players through the academy of the required standard given that all the best ones will get nicked early by our PL rivals, but it's still abysmal that it's been over 15 years since we had an academy player break through to become a first team regular, heck, to even become a regular on the sub's bench.

    Can anyone even think of any other teams in the top two divisions who will have had such a miserable record with producing youth players for its first team in recent years? Surely basically every other club will have managed at least one in the last decade or so?!

    Our current lot seem a bit more promising than I've seen in recent years, but it's still unlikely any of them will make it.
     
  14. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I don't think changing the coaches almost each season can help really.

    Players get no continuity in their development with the same set of coaches.
     
  15. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Well the likes of Sordell and Murray were more like 10 years ago, and while we all thought they were the dog's ******** when our academy was fruitful when we were skint, they wouldn't have got into our Prem teams, and might not have made it into our team this season. Our young lads have been rather weak in recent years, been a slight pleasant surprise this season, but it's hard to envisage any of them breaking into the team any time soon unless they improve massively or we decline massively
     
  16. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    I forgot about those two. Sordell was decent for a while, though I never really rated Murray.

    They were also both ages ago still.
     
  17. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Yeah, they were ages ago, but my point is, we had lots of players come through then (we had to or else we'd have fallen into League 1), but even with a platform for academy lads to progress to the first team, we still couldn't produce a real star who'd get in our team these days
     
  18. WalthamstowHornet

    WalthamstowHornet Academy Graduate

    Academy player of the season was Bosun Lawal. All I can really see online about him is that he is a midfielder and he is turning 18 later this month. Deeney has today compared him to Doucoure. Does anyone more knowledgeable about the U23s / Academy know how much of a prospect he is and if there is a realistic chance of progression to the first team?
     
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  19. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Don't have a clue about this guy, hopefully the management does?
     
  20. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Will. Never. Play. Etc......
     
  21. 99mph

    99mph 4th Prediction league 2011/12

    "The following 13 players will leave the club: Mac Chisholm, Thomas Horsewood, Max Thompson, Phoenix Patterson, Bayli Spencer-Adams, Maxwell Statham, Mason Barrett, Sam Dalby, Harry Forster, Teddy Perkins, Toby Stevenson, Mitchel Bergkamp and Henry Ochieng."

    source: https://www.watfordfc.com/news/news-retain-release-list-confirmed
     
  22. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    I thought Dalby was actually meant to be good, that's a shame.
     
  23. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Hopefully teams like Wealdstone will pick them up. Spencer-Adams is a full international! (for Guyana)
     
  24. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Slowly getting rid of the glorious failures from the Tranmere home game.
     
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  25. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Heard Spencer-Adams played a game for Burnley U23s recently, so I would assume he's off up north. Actually thought he looked quite good against Tranmere, it was only when he was subbed that it all went **** up, shame he's gone as he's still a baby in defensive terms
     
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  26. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I thought Forster was supposed to be quite good.
     
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  28. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Cukur has been called up for the Turkey u21 squad next month against the Ukraine in a friendly.

    Edit: date of the match is 1st June
     
  29. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  30. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Johnno has some history in youth development back in Oz, I think.
     
  31. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Hopefully not just jobs for the boys and they do the job getting more youngsters a chance but then it’s up to the first team manager at the time to pick them ..
     
  32. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

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  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Maybe he knows a few Aussie hidden gems we could sign up?
     
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  34. I Blame Pozzo

    I Blame Pozzo First Team

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  35. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Darrin Enahoro apparently signed from Stoke.
     

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