Covid-19 Virus

Most won't pay out all back including interest, but many (maybe even most) especially those who go into the sort of medium to high paying told you need a degree for will end up paying more.

The interest stats from day 1, and you need to be earning about £36k to even match the interest.

But those who go into a low paying job (or FM dying use their degree at all) will get off lightly and not pay much back. Those who have well off parents can pay up front.

The whole Teletubby system was brought in to make out seem like poor people can go to uni, but that was already the case. The £9k fees across the board at every uni, and high interest loans is just a graduate tax on anyone who does well for themselves with a degree their parents weren't rich enough to pay for.

But that's off topic.

 

That's a great system. Half the risk. Most of the benefits of going into school.

 

Why aren't the political mob on here screaming for Margaret Farrier to step down?
Not a peep of her in the BBC front page anymore.
How the hell is she still an MP?

 

The "problem" with our system is that only her electorate can force her out.

 

Because she isn't a Tory.

 

I don’t get this type of post. If you want to criticise people’s politics as partisan then just do it, though the removal of the forum hasn’t encouraged the space to debate. But don’t tell us how we should spend our forum time.

But even had there been the forum to do it, I doubt there would have been a thread. The SNP have completely thrown her to the wolves. Rarely has a party been as bitter about one of its MPs as they were before they threw her out.

She should resign, but it’s a personal not party issue now because all parties want her gone and my only thought since has been that anyone experiencing such sudden mass hatred is a possible suicide risk. So it seems superfluous to rant on about it on WFC Forums. The voters in her area can move to get her deselected/removed whatever the term is.

 

Boo hoo. When did the Tories last chuck out someone who did wrong? They simply double down like with Cummings.

Maybe that’s why they get picked on you poor luv.

 

I should give you a "like" for this line. Quality.

 

Maybe you would be more angry with her if, having never tested positive, she had driven down in her own car, isolated herself when down in London, apart from a short car trip 20 miles away to the Windsor castle area when she didn't mix with anyone, and then drove back in her own car afterwards. Then you would have probably continued to have blamed her for forcing everyone into millions of social distancing breaches for 6 months - like you have with Cummings.

 

Go ahead. It’s not a difficult concept. The political issue was settled by the SNP sacking her. Nevertheless, if you want to make a special thread condemning her do so. No one’s going to support her. But the current disinterest is because there is no angle. Everyone agrees.

So your accusatory post is just you being accusatory with no basis.

 

I know, people are so horrid to your lovely Tories, you take no notice and keep on clapping.

But, for the record, I was livid when I heard about it, gobsmacked at the behaviour. But unlike Cummings she’s now a nobody. Her party dealt with it correctly, unlike you know who. Let her constituents deal with her.

 

As others have said only her constituents can remove her and as for the press, like with Cummings they moved on. But she should step down and she's a hypocrite for not doing so despite previously demanding others should (for arguably less)

 

Unhappy right wingers looking to make this cause of the day. C’mon, own up, which one of you is ‘Rob B’?

 

As galling as this is, it is probably correct. MPs have this security because it means that their party can’t simply remove them as MPs if they disagree and disenfranchise that constituency. Of course they can discipline or as in this case even expel. What does seem odd is that you can commit a crime and continue as an MP.

 

Is it just me, or is it not blindingly obvious (pun intended) what the difference between the two situations is? Cummings is hugely important, probably one of the three or so most powerful people in the country. He largely came up with the rules which he then proceeded to violate, so a charge of hypocrisy can also be thrown into the mix. Also, his excuses were utterly laughable.

By comparison, Ferrier is a relative nobody. She hasn’t attempted to excuse her behaviour. She should, of course, resign.

It has precisely nothing to do with place on the political spectrum.

 

No, of course it hasn't. Nothing at all.

Violate? The police investigated fully and they say there may have been a "minor" breach arising out his trip to Barnard Castle.

 

Ferrier’s behaviour is pretty extraordinary, to be fair. It has been revealed that not only did she go to London and return, but she also attended a church service and gave a reading. Bizarre and dangerous.

Of course one reason why she isn’t facing the music at this point is that she has Covid and is in isolation. Her current state of health is unknown, though she is probably well enough to resign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rier-attended-church-the-day-after-covid-test

 

Have you and @Diamond had much to say about Trump’s antics yet? Driving around in a sealed car with staff while ill? Putting on a no mask event that appears to have infected 30 or more, following similar events all summer? What are we to make of the fact you aren’t ‘screaming’ for him to step down? If you say it’s another country I’m just going to laugh.

 

zztop: You're making sweeping generalisations

Also zztop: Students are universally to blame for the rise in Covid because they all spent the week before they went to Uni out on the lash.

Sure.

Ferrier is clearly an incredibly selfish (and stupid) individual who definitely needs to stand down. I imagine the police might charge her for such a blatant disregard of the rules (which far exceeded Cummings, or indeed any high profile breach so far).

There were a few key things with Cummings which made it a bigger story

1. As has been stated, he was the rule maker. To break rules to have a more comfortable time yourself, when so many were struggling in their own conditions was perceived as being extremely hypocritical. He is so close to the seat of power, that despite being a typically expendable advisor, got an exclusive, hour-long private interview in the gardens of number 10. If Sturgeon/ Starmer acted like Ferrier, it would be a massive story, but given his power still not as big a story than if Boris did it.

2. It's not the crime, it's the cover-up". No one actually believed Cummings thought what he was doing was in the spirit of the rules he had introduced. The conflicting tweets and the weird parts of the story which never make sense, like explaining ending up out of his car at a beauty spot as pure coincidence, were such a disregard of the intelligence of the nation.

3. The situation. He massively undermined the governments message at a time where we were close to the peak of the virus. We'll never know the true impact of his actions on the virus, but it is clear that his actions contradicted the spirit of the message at such a pivotal time, and very likely led to a lower rate of compliance.

 

Two things:

1. Yes he is in a different country, his/our opinion won't matter one jot.
2. He will be losing an election next month, so will be gone by 20th January.

 

Oh ****, this thread has turned into the politics section.

 

Blimey Moose, even for you that's a quick contradiction.

 

What's laughable about going for a short drive with the family to check that you're not going blind?

 

You're on fire this morning, Comrade! What's the matter? Did you put salt on your cornflakes?

 

I didn’t tell you to I said ‘have you’? I.e have you practised what you are preaching?

I don’t care if you don’t, but I don’t need your finger wagging.

 

Apologies, you're quite right. After all, I've done it myself. And I never learned to drive.

 

Did I start this? Did I feel the need to bemoan the lack of commentary? No someone else did. Next!

 

I have yes, just not lately as I havn't seen anyone else do it over the past few days, nor is there a thread, is there? But if it satisfies you, I remain consistent, he is an absolute **** and the quicker he gets kicked out the better.

 

Eh? I have never said "all" students, I have clearly distinguished between those that have behaved responsibly and those that havn't. Are you getting me mixed up with someone else?

I've got no idea whether Cummings made specifics of the rule. Have you? But if he did, then I suspect that he would know more about the "spirit of the rules" than you do. I would suspect that the spirit of the rules was not to cut down on our civil liberties or freedoms, but to prevent someone spreading the virus.

The fact is, no one has come forward to say that Cummings was talking to them, was mixing with them, was doing anything other than socially distancing at all times, and he apparently stayed either in his car or in the open air at all times. So, as far as I can see, he has not broken the "spirit of the rules". Even his trip to Barnard Castle did not break any specific distance rules, because there weren't any. That was a personal judgement that I think he admitted was wrong, but to be sacked for it?

Finally, I don't agree that his sticking within the spirit of the rules and the possible minor breach massively undermined the government message. What has undermined the message is the constant use by commentators and the media of Cummings as some sort of legitimate excuse for anyone else breaking the rules, no matter how serious those infringements were. There is a distinct lack of perspective and maturity when an adult believes he can party all night long along with all his mates, because one person committed a minor breach several weeks or months ago.

 

That's life.

 

Sorry, but have you condemned Margaret Ferrier at least twice today?

 

It really isnt.

 

Just for clarity:
Ferrier - prosecute on all offenses. Separately. With escalating fines.
Corbyn- prosecute
Stanley - prosecute
Cummings - prosecute then punch his ****y little face in.