Xisco Munoz

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by The Recluse, Dec 18, 2020.

  1. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Hopefully the pre-season will be structured to offer maximum potential benefit this time.
     
  2. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Seven games? Isn't that a bit ambitious?

    Only the top 9 had won 7 games or more by 27 December this season.
     
  3. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    You brought it back up mate
     
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    This is the intriguing thing - this season was truncated greatly due to the late start. And then you factor in that it was a 46 game season rather than 38...

    Many of the players and coaching staff won’t have been in a situation where so much time was spent playing games compared to at the training ground. I think a Leventhal article laid out just how little time Xisco has actually had with the squad working on tactics/shape etc at London Colney.

    This summer he will have weeks and weeks with them trying to translate his plans etc to the squad and they will find themselves in a situation they haven’t had yet. A lot about whether Xisco is good enough will likely come out in the wash over that period.
     
  5. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I'll remind you in 6 months
     
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  6. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    You mean 5 months and 2 weeks ?
     
  7. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Look, do we want to be "the best of the rest" or not ?
     
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  8. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I was referring to how big a disaster the 19/20 pre-season was mainly
     
  9. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Tbh I'd settle for being ' a bit better than the worst'.
     
  10. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Yes and no; it was shorthand for saying we need to well above the fray. QSF won 8 before Christmas and 4 afterwards. On the perception that all newly promoted clubs tend to have a better first nine, loading the winning games and points total before Christmas seems sensible.

    As a comparator the next season under Mazzarri we won 6 before Christmas and 5 afterwards finishing in 17th losing the last six games. Silva won six before Christmas and including the Boxing Day win against Leicester we won 5 afterwards.

    The following year under Garcia we won 8 before Christmas and 6 afterwards. The following relegation season saw us win 2 before Christmas and six afterwards

    so the pattern is that if want to stay up we should not expect to have to win more games in the second half of the season. And in the first half aim to win between 6-8 games.
     
  11. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    But you think he will be sacked if he doesn't win 7 games by then?

    I'd say that was harsh even by Pozzo standards, although it obviously depends how many fewer...
     
  12. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Probably not, but then we would likely end up in a similar situation to this season. We might not get away with it next time!
     
  13. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Lack of goals is down to lack of creativity, as well as decent finishers. We need to bring a playmaker-type in, as well as 2 decent finishers. Minimum.
     
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  14. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    After a period of reflection, I’ve convinced myself that his happy, welcoming, and positive demeanor is exactly what we need to turn Penaranda into the world class attacker we dreamed he’d be, but has until now sadly hidden away behind the sex parties and terrible haircuts.

    Give this man a 5 year deal, NOW.
     
  15. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    My take is that GP will want to bring in a few players to try and make us competitive in the "bottom 9" of the Prem for next season, but knowing that most of the young squad will also be well equipped for the championship should we fail. Is that called doing a Norwich..?
     
  16. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I have plenty of other useful things to be getting on with than checking on what you post. One does get an impression of a posters character though. And yours involves dragging up posts from the past to score points off others, denigrating what some poster has said about a player to the point of superciliousness. I have pulled you up on that before as your comment directed to a poster was rude and uncalled for. However when someone picks up on your own mistakes the backtracking is worthy of any politician.

    I reiterate what @Burnsy said at the time was perfectly sound. Why you have to sound so superior with the benefit of hindsight would flummox anyone and notwithstanding actually quoting the post. So petty and small minded and yes childish.
     
  17. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Where Norwich competitive last season?

    I would hope the aim is to do a bit better than they did. Agree with general point though. Look at the players who got game time in 15/16- Anya, Amrabat, Parades, Watson, Jurado... Hardly world beaters. That's why I defend the likes of Sema. We will likely be OK with team of predominantly good honest pros. Need to add real quality in a few positions, that's about it. People saying we need to get someone with Deulofeu's quality are dreaming though. We would need to establish ourselves again for this to happen!
     
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  18. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I think we need to be ‘sufficiently better than the worst’.
     
  19. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    #Abitbetterthanthe3worst
     
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  20. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Reckon they'll be an outside bet for promotion next season, along with QPR
     
  21. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I doubt he will get to Christmas if we have won less than four games by October half term. His claim to the job is that he has united a group, made them happy and enjoying playing for him. He has no history to suggest that he has developed a repertoire of tactical nous, or can lead a squad through the tests we will face next season. He may have and not need to draw on that. But that will be tested next year. If he looks out of his depth, and the owners believe the team is underperforming, he goes.
     
  22. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Thanks for the dull and trivial interjection.
     
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  23. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    We could keep Xisco and see how it goes, while also signing some better players...
     
  24. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Yeah I agree, that response was to somebody saying they don’t think we’ll strengthen much so we could do with some consistency by keeping Munoz.

    That isn’t a scenario that will play out unless Gino has become Delia overnight. If we don’t strengthen we’ll get consistency for as many games as Munoz is in a job which won’t be many.
     
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  25. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Thanks.

    I agree we need some consistency in the club. I am not sure it'll ever be the head coach.

    As I've said elsewhere we could do with some identity in the club and a positive culture for players to buy in when they join.

    Every new coach bringing a whole new team isn't ideal.

    Long term in the relegation season we see that players ended up not listening to the coach or being motivated, they always know they'll be there longer than him if it goes wrong.
     
  26. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Just to clarify I’m not saying that we shouldn’t keep Munoz and that we couldn’t also benefit from the consistency he would bring if he stays on.

    But if he isn’t backed then he’ll be out the door in a handful of games, so the benefit of keeping him for consistency purposes will last for a few games.

    Despite any financial issues we may have, I do not believe that Gino is about to do a Delia, not invest at all, accept relegation as inevitable and just bank the cash so it’s all irrelevant, it’s just the notion of not strengthening and consistency are at odds with each other because Munoz won’t last 5 minutes if he doesn’t get backed.

    fwiw, although money will be tight I believe we will strengthen, or at least much like our first season we will see a number if new players coming in.

    Whether it be true or not as far as us fans opinions are concerned, I believe that Gino will believe we’ll end up with a strong enough squad to survive. If Munoz does not look like he can deliver survival he’ll be out the door just like every other manager.
     
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  27. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    It's looking Like The Kid is going to be in charge next season, and probably he has earned the right to be given a chance. However I have to say I am still not totally convinced he has what it takes, but I sincerely hope he proves me wrong and stuffs my words down my throat.

    The jury is still out for me!!!
     
  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  29. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

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  30. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I honestly don't remember his name being mentioned here or elsewhere.

    I hope this doesn't mean Xisco's contribution to the turnaround in form and high points total becomes even more marginalized by some who maintain it was really WTE, the other players and Deeney getting injured what did it.
     
  31. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

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  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Surely there will be very few who assume that when we start losing to the likes of Liverpool, Citeh, Man U etc as opposed to beating the likes of Millwall, Birmingham, Rotherham that as the differentiator, all our success last year must have been down to De Hoyo.
     
  33. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    The new Dean Austin.
     
  34. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Have we decided on his song yet. Or are we assuming he won’t be around long enough to be worthy of one? For the first home game I suppose we could do a variation of the que que one.
     
  35. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Something along the lines of 'he came from Georgia, he'll fackin' murder ya.'
     

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