Will Dyche be able to stay if the deal goes through???

Those who are complaining about speculation are themselves speculating about a possible takeover and a possible amount of money. For me there's nothing wrong with speculation at all, but what is problematic is to make out that we are not debating from the same platform.

Nnnn more or less sums my point up. I've yet to hear someone with a more relevant CV than Dyche linked with the job, and might soften my stance if I did hear one. Three and a half years ago, Dyche was youth team coach at an academy which looked like it could soon be shut down. Since then he has worked with players, bettered them, and as a result progressed up to the next rung of the ladder. Staying as manager with better players at his disposal would simply be another step up.

 

Well Rodgers had Smith, Cowie, Harley, Priskin, Mcanuff and Rasiak as attacking options. He also had Mike Williamson. And he is now managing Liverpool. Rodgers and Mackay achieved far less with far better players, yet have both gone onto bigger, better things. They also both inherited backroom staff and didn't have all of their best transfer targets pinched, which is a luxury Dyche didn't have.

On the basis of a first season, Dyche might as well put his application in for Tottenham now. Two of his strikers scored 3 goals in a combined 60-odd appearances, the other one had spent two years playing badly on the wing and his only good one was sold in January and not replaced. He also had exactly no wingers all season except for the loanees, who left, and Yeates, who doesn't count. The ability to get a team with no attacking ability at all to win games is pretty astonishing, just the slightest glimmer of talent in the squad (Murray, Kightly, Kaclincilainlac) and we could win games. Imagine what he could do if he had more than one talented footballer in the squad at a time?

On the basis of last season and the rate of progression of previous Watford managers, Dyche will be England manager within about two years.

 

And if Hodgson follows the progression of Watford's last England manager, he'll be at Vicarage Road in four years.

 

Maybe they'll let Dyche stay if he dies his hair and eyebrows black, uses brylcream, wears a Mancini style scarf even in August and learns how to say EEEHHHHH at the slightest possibility of a nudge. Doubt it though....Zola is de man they gonna bring in....EEEHHHH!!

 

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I'm fully in support of Dyche, and would be completely opposed to him losing his job, but your point about him having no wingers and no attacking ability can have some of the blame placed on himself - you must remember that he signed Forsyth, Yeates, Garner and Iwelumo, so it could well be argued that if he had been better in the transfer market (and, to be fair to Bas, he did appear to be backed), he would've had the wingers and attacking ability he needed.

 

In reference to your point about transfer activity, it has to be said that with Mackay leaving, Sean obviously had some of his transfer targets dissapear off to Cardiff, for example; Craig Conway. I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes, but it's a point worth remembering.

 

I'm not sure how much responsibility for that was Dyche's, and how much was down to Ross Wilson and the scouting department.

Even if those players were entirely Dyche's decision, what we're saying is that his one weakness is buying players. But is that a problem, if the Pozzos intend to employ someone to make decisions on player purchases?

 

I think you have to see that an awful lot of those signings were just to get some bodies through the door as all the players we wanted had been poached/tapped up by Manky Macknut.

 

Indeed, I'm not wanting to get too whisked up in this as I'm trying to view this one out, but Dyche stated in an interview last season that he didn't even have a proper starting XI (Loach, Doyley, Marriappa, Hodson, Taylor, Eustace, McGinn [Injured], Deeney, Sordell [Still only second season]) they're the only ones I can currently think of.

 

Oh please, I've said all the time Dyche deserves the chance but if he doesn't get it then so be it.

I just don't think he's quite the manager that people are making him out to be.

 

Oh, and the last manager I gave gratitude to for his service as a player, coach and manager, well, we all know how that story ended.

 

I agree with both JB and yourself GoingDown.

Dyche deserves to stay at the club and if he's sacked it'll be bloody unfair on him. He worked miracles last year, there is no doubt about that. As has been said, barely any players or staff and a suspicious owner!! As JB said, to be near the playoffs towards the end of the season is phenomenal.

His real test is this year, I think he'll grow stronger as a manager and with better resources.

But I agree with you GoingDown, if he's sacked then its harsh but we continue. He's not bigger than the club and you have to respect the owners decision.

I hope we get the best of both worlds. Zola as DOF and Dyche as manager.

 

Fransen and Timperley have worked really hard as stated in reports, I am sure they will let the Pozzo's know that Dyche has done a great job this season and maybe they will consider that should they take over! I think Dyche will have a choice to stay but might not have the choice of some of the players coming in and would he be ok with that??

 

I can't see GT letting them sack Dyche.

 

I have also heard this could possibly, potentially be either true or not true.

 

Dyche may be a decent manager but if you were about to spend 20 million euros of your own money on a football club would you honestly leave it to him? Dyche has no clear philosophy to his football. He neither favours a long ball style or a passing style. He doesn't like introducing youngsters, even if Murray did do well at the end of the season surely he should have been brought in at the start? Also what happened to Adam Thompson, Matty Whichelow, Dale Bennett?

I'm not saying that Dyche is a good manager, in fact I don't think you can claim to know Dyche's ability at all as a manager as he has only had one season with a squad which had already been put in place for him, in a division where the standards were the poorest they had been for years.

All in all I'd welcome a change in management. Dyche's football at times last season was poor to watch, even to the extent of calling it Boothroyd football, and looking at the long term vision of the potential new owners (consistent top flight football/challenging for a Europa League spot) I seriously doubt Dyche has the ability to do this.

 

As far as your point about not playing younger players.... Murray was only introduced from January onwards as that's when Dyche felt he was comfortable with him making the transition from youth team football to first team football.

Rumours have been that Whichelow has a **** attitude, which needs to be sorted out if that is the reason, as Dyche appears to only want "100%'ers" whereas Dale Bennett was slowly coming into things before he got smashed in the head by Eustace at Upton Park, definatley would have had more time to ease Taylor back in with Bennett not injured. And Thompson, at a young age will probably at this age be a right back, which we have a fair few of.

 

I'm hearing all will become clear in 76years, or sooner.

 

The fact Dyche said he only wants a "100%ers" should be enough for you to realise he is not the manager to take us forward. I still don't think Dyche promoted youngsters enough last year. Murray should have been involved from the start and there are plenty of others who have had debuts under previous management and yet under Dyche they have had there far fewer opportunities.

 

Murray wasn't ready until around January....

And are you sure about him not being the manager to take us forward? The fans were banging on about Hoskins, but when he was given a chance he didn't exactly do fantastically did he?

The loan system has given them the opportunity to get some games, bet there was still more debut's than most of the rest of the country last season.

 

Dyche's signings were poor so dont forget that there was a lot of wasted money spent here. Forsyth, Big Chris and Yeates were lets be honest below average.
I welcome young hungry Italians who get the ball down and play.....you can't disagree with that. We have to adapt to become more sucessful, times are a changing!!

 

Are you sure there were no English clubs that had more than 2 debuts for youth products last season?

Murray was ready for Mackay last season and yet Dyche didn't think he was ready until 6 months later. Also your point about Hoskins is exactly my point, the fans often don't know what is best for their club due to their subjectivity. I'm not saying I'm objective but I think our decent form towards the end of the season has seriously blighted some fans judgement about how good Dyche is as a manager.

 

I do think it'd be unfair to remove Dyche straight away, but it does make me laugh reading people say he did such an "incredible" or "amazing" job as if he's some sort of absolute miracle worker. An "incredible" or "amazing" job would be if he'd somehow got us promoted or even into the play-offs.

Dyche did a good job with a capable squad of players in his first season all things considered and it'd be unfair to remove him without giving him a chance to continue that good work, but if they want Zola they want Zola.

 

We had 3, but I digress. Murray was ready for the two of the last games of the season a year ago. One in which he came on with 10 minutes left, the other he went off after an hour if I remember rightly. They were test runs, and Dyche, Nick Cox, Ross Wilson and Sean Murray himself have said in various media that he wasn't ready, much more likely to trust their judgement than Mackay throwing youth at a squad depth problem which wasn't the answer.

Towards the end of the season, after the inital squad forming and blending period which was pretty horrific, we changed the players around; i.e. Deeney more up top with Iwelumo, Kacaniclic and Murray on the wings and instead of stopping teams playing which was evident around the time we had a load of draws and only one or two defeats from mid october - mid december, we started playing more of our own game, which yes showed a different type of form that we won more games, but only when the squad in general was ready.

Don't get me wrong, Dyche isn't like a miracle worker, but he's a young good prospect for a manager who's still learning, and I think the Pozzo's would do well to keep ahold of, but no one person is bigger than the Football club itself.

 

We didn't have a team at the beginning of August, we started **** poorly, and do I need to keep reminding people of this stat. WE ONLY LOST 6 GAMES SINCE NOVEMBER 5TH! That is phenomenal !! He deserves his chance, and he produced miracles last season, losing Graham, Buckley, Cowie, Sordell and a host of important coaching members.

To go from 98% or whatever that poll said, of fans wanting him sacked to a flirt with the players is incredible.

I agree though, they want zola, then thats their choice. Fans should support that and get behind him

 

Flirting with the players..... Quite worried if that's the case WFCTAT :biggrin:

 

Homophobe.

 

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I'm just saying it's not very professional

 

I think we are all arguing about nothing, because I don't think they intend to replace SD with Zola; I think they will probably bring Zola in, not as a replacement, but to work alongside Dyche; which one they call manager will be irrelevant, I believe they will work as a team!!!

Zola will be the big name who will probably raise the profile of the club internationally and be more likely to attract players that possibly would not come here if SD was in charge on his own; Zola he will also be useful liaising with our Italian owners and probable new Italian players; furthermore he would be very useful on the technical side of coaching the team, especially the forward players and strikers.

Keeping Sean on board would help with the integration of our new Italian connections into life in The English Championship, and help with the continuity of the existing set up and players; plus I believe he is a good young coach in his own right, and deserves to stay on board.

As to which of them would be manager, assistant manager, coach or whatever? I think it would be irrelevant as SD will probably be given an improved financial package anyway and probably still have a significant say in the running of the team, even if he was given the subordinate title, which may well be likely.

THE DREAM TEAM ZOLA & DYCHE

 

The ginger warrior and Peter Beardsley long lost Italian brother.

 

I'm pretty sure you must be trolling now.

Murray was ready for Mackay when Mackay had taken a play-off chasing team into lower mid-table, just like several other young players were. This includes Whichelow, who this season wasn't good enough for two teams who got relegated from League 1. They weren't ready, we were just desperate, shown by the ridiculous decline after Mackay was forced to introduce them.

As for the point about the end of season form affecting judgement of his managerial ability, what are people supposed to be judged on if it isn't how they perform in their job?! The team did exceptionally in the second half of the season, what do you want to judge him on if not results? If it were on the femininity of his voice then fair enough, he wouldn't be a good manager, but it's not.

 

Not trolling.

I still believe Murray was ready at the start of the season. If media announcements said otherwise, it is hardly surprising that everyone agreed with Dyche after he said he wasn't ready.

Even if Murray wasn't ready, he still lacks two qualities involved that I think would be fairly crucial if we do get taken over by the Pozzos. He doesn't introduce enough young players to the first team and he doesn't play attacking football.