And to be fair they more often than not don't need to worry about gathering his crosses, seeing as a lot of them end up sailing out of play or nowhere anywhere the keeper needs to worry about.
Because TUT has gone into that disturbing repetitive grinding mode. And then people will blame others for creating arguments. Negative people's fault innit. Edit: Bang on time Lloyd has told Nath to give it a rest
He did especially well as the quality of the ball in was poor so he had to have good technique to finish it.
Or maybe Nath has ? Two sides etc. I’m just saying I thought it was a good cross, as acknowledged by both video commentaries I have seen. But I’ve “gone into that disturbing repetitive grinding mode” because I don’t agree with Nath ?
The point is as always you are like a dog with a chew toy and people will tell Nath to stop being argumentative. Just the nature of the forum.
I'm surprised TUT hasn't wheeled out his favourite 'I'll leave it here and let you have the last word seeing as we all know you have to have to do so' line yet.
It was a decent ball in though and Nath is wrong. Some inward reflection and self awareness is necessary sometimes from individuals who think they're not the problem. Incidentally @nath why the profile pic of multiple conviction, sex registered, been to prison thrice, woman abuser Marlon King?
sarr almost single handedly got us promoted last time round I’m not saying he’s anything special but I don’t buy that comment Let’s see what he’s like post WC
I think that's a somewhat exaggerated assessment. Yes he was important in getting us promoted, but he contributed nothing more than decent stats for a player at Champ level. £35m for a competent Championship forward is appalling value for money. Also, as I've said previously, if we'd invested that £35m in strengthening the areas of the team that needed upgrading after the cup final season, it's likely, IMO that we'd have had another 3 years of top 15 finishes with some occasional highlights, instead of two dismal relegations and a gradual erosion of the squad. Signing Sarr has been a massive turning point in our recent history for all the wrong reasons and it's telling that he's still here, because nobody will pay us what our owners think he's worth, as they stubbornly refuse to take a loss on him, even though eventually they will probably have to.
I think both Nath and TUT are right personally. I think it’s a decent enough ball in and is in the right area to cause issues - but there’s a lack of pace or whip on it which means the GK has the time and opportunity to come and claim it. Luckily for us, the GK was somewhat on his heels and low on quality, so made a hash of it and pushed it into a really bad area (once he’d timed it wrong so he couldn’t hold it, he should have pushed it into a far safer area at least). I think it’s just a popular forum thing to immediately single Nath out as being wrong because he’s industrial with his wording. He has a point here but it’s more nuanced than either he or TUT being right or wrong. But I think TUT has made references to calling it an ‘assist’ and also ignoring commentators saying the GK should be doing better which have muddied the argument!
Bought for £32m as a PL club for a manager who we’d just given a four year deal to who didn’t want him for his system and who wanted other players in far more needed positions instead. Helping us get promoted wasn’t even getting us back to where we were when we bought him, considering the carnage relegation waged on our squad, and as a result we subsequently got relegated again on a points total lower than Aidy Boothroyd managed. So yeah, it isn’t hard to see him as one of the worst buys the club had made, all things considered.
Where did I say it was his fault? He can be one of worst buys without it being his fault personally. We’d just finished 11th and got to a cup final so gave our manager a four year deal, we then proceeded to waste our whole summer and entire budget on a player our manager on the longest deal Gino has ever given out didn’t want or need. We have been on a downward spiral ever since, he was terrible, terrible buy by any measure, but what part of that makes it his fault personally?? He’s clearly had a massive negative impact on our clubs fortunes since we bought him, but he’s not even in the worst top 20? Lol.
Totally disagree. Dawson was by far a worse buy than Sarr. And more culpable for us getting relegated. In fact if we'd started playing Sarr earlier in the season we might have stayed up.
Literally no-one is saying that £30m (£28m) shouldn't have been better spent, but it's not Sarr's fault. He's not worth £30m and it was a very expensive punt that hasn't paid off for us...or him. I'm sure both parties regret it, though neither can say openly. He is however one of our best players, inconsistent though he can be, like many widemen.
I think you’re missing the point. You can be a good player but still be a bad signing, either by the club overpaying for you or the opportunity cost of the transfer in the rest of the squad (or both). I’d argue Sarr and Louza both fall into this category.
Sure, but Sarr is not the signing to blame. Look at Success for a start. Who's the bigger waste of money there?
Again, this is missing the point even more isn’t it? How has success had anything like the same negative impact? He was a money shuffling exercise that didn’t work out on the pitch, nothing more.
All well and good if you follow the "just shuffling funds between different pockets" theory, but I thought you guys didn't subscribe to that view and therefore look at this as WFC paid £13m(?) for a complete dud ?
I think his goal against Liverpool alone made Sarr worth every penny of the 30 million. When you add his performance and goal against L*t*n, I think most people would agree he's been an absolute snip. We must have the only fans in world football that grumble that our owner spends too much on players!
It was worse than that even. Our 99/00 squad got 24pts under GT. We signed off last season with 23pts. Boothroyd was 28pts. Shows how pitiful we were last season as a whole and why going up again this season (if it happens) is probably not going to be much different unless major investment in critical areas happen.
It forces the keeper to come and try and get the ball when he didn't want to. It's a very good ball which forces a mistake. It's almost as if you just don't to give credit to our players
Christ knows what some of you make of a cross that lands exactly where it's intended to - ie. right on the head or foot of a teammate who can then bang it into the net. Presumably you think it's some kind of sorcery?
If we paid £5m for Sarr this summer I’d still only rate him as an 8/10 signing as he isn’t very good at the part of football involving the ball - and I would wonder if he could cut the step up. £35m is laughable.
