Watford 1-2 Derby County - 22/11/2014

Parades Cathcart Bassong Angella Pudil sounds pretty decent to be fair.
With Munari Toszer and Abdi and Fessi /Vydra and Deeney/Ighalo.

Suits our squad a lot more than 433

 

Another hat trick for Messi tonight.

If only.

 

Tell me that isn't our best possible team.

Tell me it doesn't suit every one of our best players.

I dare you.

 

I thought I was agreeing with you that it was?

I dare YOU to tell ME that the above diagram isn't our best formation and line-up. Come on.

 

Two games now that joka has lost the game with baffling team selection. Losing games is unavoidable, but we could do without our head coach throwing six points away out of hand by just picking a weakened eleven.

 

The worry is that it wasn't rotation, it was tactical. Unless that was the joke and I missed it.

 

I thought we had to condense the space we gave Derby (who were a very decent outfit) and hit them on the break - unfortunately for us Dyer didn't seem too interested today and Paredes is not an out and out full back, he is much better breaking forward, he would be ideal in a 3-5-2 formation - whatever happened to that?

Forestieri should have buried his chance, I wonder if his miss at Ipswich was playing on his mind - hence why he tried to get the ball under control.

Munari and Vydra were electric when they came on - who knows what would have happened had they started. I think it's time to impose ourselves on the opposition and let them worry about us, rather than trying to nullify their set up. having said that I've had far too much wine, so am probably talking absolute boolacks.

Deeney for me, seems to be trying too hard at the moment, unlucky in the first half but off it second half.

I don't think we're very far away from getting it right, give the manager some time and see where it takes us. Personally I reckon we'll take four points minimum out of the next couple of games, Wigan will be a bit of an unknown if Malky is still in situ' but who knows... Keep the faith!

 

Watford FC in a nutshell.

 

It's also the third match in a row we've lost to an 80+ minute goal. Please, please don't let this be the return of an oh so familiar trend ...

 

I also thought Doyley had a good game for Doyley, he found himself in unusual forward positions and at one time seemed destin to score a goal didn't quite manage it so went back to defence and nearly scored an own goal. Munari should start every game as he is economical, efficient and a dam good player its sucidal to leave him out.
Start with your best players get a few goals up then give the others a chance to show what they can do

 

Seems to me we've gone from allegedly having no idea of tactics (under Zola) to now being a side so obsessed with them we're always trying to stop our opponents rather than play to OUR strengths. So we play one up top against Brighton, and now start yesterday with our top scorer and season's most influential midfielder on the bench. Both in the name of tactical cleverness.

It was a good match yesterday, an enjoyable game, and posters like Diamond (and ITWM) are imo right to say so and to point out that on another day we might even have won, as we dominated large chunks of the second half, as we did at Middlesboro after equalising.

But the hard fact is we didn't. Had today been a one-off it might have been easier to take. But it was our 3rd defeat in a row. The tactical plans of the Head Coach failed. The result shows he got it wrong. We've lost more ground.

It's an obvious thing to say I know but Deeney's form is so vital to this side, and for whatever reason he looks in a poor run at the moment. He got us over the line so many times last season and his goals are being badly missed.

 

Sorry for the lack of posts ......are we sacking anyone yet or what? As I understand it we've got loads of cash and we're still ****e?

 

Think Derby must have thought xmas was early with no Vydra Munari starting. Hard enough with forced absentees let alone leaving best players out. To me Dyer brings nothing to the party. Since Charlton 2nd half we have abandoned 352 and are struggling. Lets get back to this we have players suited to the system and at the moment have no width going forward and our build up is laboured. Not given up hope this season but we need to get back on track pronto.

 

Doyley should be playing RB with Pudil on the left.

I'm sick of Paredes, the bloke is beyond awful at RB. His decent attacking play in no way makes up for 100% of opposition attacks getting through to the byline on his side every single game.

He can't tackle, can't head, is weak as a bowl of dog p!ss, has no idea where he is supposed to be and for some reason never seems to know that the opposition is about to drop a ball over the top in behind him (which happens ten times a game every week) because he waits until it has already gone over his head before he turns and desperately runs after it.

We don't need wing backs if we are going to play this stale, insipid 4-3-3. Doyley defends and can support attacks well enough which he has done for the last ten years.

 

I think it's clear from this thread and from ****ter that most Watford fans still enjoy the 'little old Watford' way and putting up a 10 minute fight against Derby is perfectly acceptable because they are good.

Jokes and the Pozzo's have got it made. All we want is mid table so that's all we need.

 

Parades had a bad game, but let's not do the "never want to see him pull on a Watford shirt again" thing FFS.

 

I wonder if JS will be getting some guidance on team selection from above this week?

If they are fit (or even 90% fit) these players have to start next Saturday - Angella, Abdi, Toszer, Munari, Forestieri, Vydra, Deeney. Thinking about it, that only leaves four for a starting line up - how difficult is it to be head coach to this squad?

 

And 1 of those is the keeper. 3 players to "pick"

 

He's had a lot of bad games. He just can't defend. Even when the last man he tries to turn his man as if he were a winger. In a 3-5-2 formation, maybe, with four at the back definitely not.

 

The trouble is, the people left to pick are defenders. And our defenders aren't good enough for anything more than a mid-table Champ side.

I'd include Angella in that. A skilful and elegant footballer, but a fallible defender because he loses his man too often.

 

Doyley got roasted yesterday and I am sorry but he should not even make the match day team.A true legend but just not good enough anymore.Watford hat is a great right wing back and is wasted at right back another player being played out of his natural position and looks lost at the moment as well as others.

 

Like a lot of the foreign guys, they need to settle. I'm sure Paredes will improve, he plays every game for Ecuador at full back so someone is obviously seeing something that makes him a good full back!

 

I think the issue is, as great as 4-3-3 sounds, it does not suit our players. Instead of putting 2 strikers on in their best places, we try and accommodate 3. If our defense and midfield were of consistent high quality both as our 1st choice and then in depth then that would be fine and dandy, but we don't.

We have mid-table cover for most positions (Barring strikers) not promotion challenging cover so all that happens is we lose Abdi, Toszer and/or Munari and it's obvious we're a lot worse. We then ignore midfield and lump it to Deeney in the hope he can hold off 2+ defenders and get something out of nothing.

I think what needs to happen is that ditch 4-3-3 and go back to 3-5-2. I love the idea of 3 strikers but in all honesty in recent games it simply hasn't worked looking at the results. Angella, Ekky and Bassong as a 3 man defense sounds pretty good, with our other defensive options allowing flexibility and cover in depth. Midfield would be OK as then we can put in more players who are suited in their positions rather than shoe horn them in.

It's a shame we'd sacrifice a striker but it's better to have 2 strikers in great positions rather than one in a good position and two out wide.

On a lighter tone, Bond seems to have taken recent set backs in his stride. Honestly wouldn't have guessed yesterday he was 2nd choice GK.

 

If you put Deeney and Vydra up front they will create and score. The link up was immediate yesterday. I don't care if it's 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or 8-0-2, they need to play together!

 

Fixed

 

Not really. I really like Ighalo and Fernando but I think a partnership of Vydra and Deeney scares the opposition and I haven't seen either of those two link up with Vydra in the same way. He and Troy make each other better players.

 

If I had an Ecuadorian grandparent I dare say they'd be knocking on my door/.

 

It baffles me how we can't play 4-3-3, yet we played our best football in the Pozzo era in a half an hour spell using it in the semi final second leg of the play offs against Leicester.

 

Totally agree.

I have serious concerns that the head of fitness is going to jeopardise our season by wrapping our best players in cotton wool.

Last year Burnley and Leicester had pretty much the same starting 11 every week. I doubt very much if they didnt have players playing through games with minor knocks.

 

Hilarious...say what you want but he's made 40+ appearances for a decent international side. He may not be showing it now but I reckon he'll get better the more games he plays.

 

Fair enough point out his deficiencies, but to say he's weak is pretty ridiculous. It's like saying he's not fast enough.

 

Yeah, let's give him more time, because that is something we have endless amounts of. It will be great when he learns go defend in March when we are 13th again. Always next year.

For a man with 40 international appearances you would think he would be able to tackle somebody at some point in a game.

It doesn't matter what he does for Ecuador any more than what anya does for Scotland.

 

According to whoscored.com, Paredes averages more tackles per game than any other Watford player over the course of this season. Paredes also made more tackles than any other Watford defender yesterday. Only Tozser and Forestieri made more.

 

Stats schmats. Paredes is the new boo boy now McGugam has gone and nothing, and I mean nothing, will change their minds. Especially not some nerdy bull**** like stats.

 

Well thats a bit awkward.

Maybe I'm racist