Jacob Rees Mogg was the first and only Minister for Brexit Opportunities. The cabinet position has been quietly dropped in the latest reshuffle. I think that tells its own story.
Not fake news is it. I mean, if you're going to parrot a Trumpism at least make sure it's appropriate Mr Blob! The work permit was denied, then issued following an appeal. Prior to Brexit he'd have been able to sign for an English club as a Spanish national without any issue.
******* . OK GOBE explain to me how someone with no money and no job gets a house in Spain? And a job . ****. The poor are poor everywhere and you are a class 1 grade A clown pretending to be nice but in fact you are an evil nasty piece of work . I sleep at night , PAL.
Everyone was banned from Croatia ? Wow ! Who knew ? How did all the holidaymakers/stags/hens get there then ?
Yeah only rich people can emigrate. That's the reason why the EU was so bad, all these rich Poles and Romanians coming over here buying houses and filling up memberships at the country club.
Between January 2021 until late summer they didn't. They weren't allowed. I live here, you can believe me or you can go away and look it up yourself.
What u talking about ? How many go the other way to Poland etc if it is a level playing field ? You just like the fact that increased labour means lower wages don't you ? Nothing wrong with Poles BTW but they are being used to drive down wages Win win for some
You're suggesting that only rich people can mine abroad. Why do you think wages went down? If only rich people can afford to move abroad why were all these rich Eastern European immigrants working for less money? You think they just love labouring in the levels English weather?
So are costs of living. If you say the ordinary writing class British people can't afford to move to Spain, how did the poor people in eastern Europe who earnt less than the working class of the UK manage to afford to move to the UK?
Fake News. It wasn't denied. He didn't meet the FA's criteria to automatically obtain a work permit due to lack of International games and not having played this year. Big difference between not qualifying automatically and being denied. Needed 15 points he was in the 10 to 14 range so had to have the case looked at by a 3 man panel before then being ratified which is what took the delay. Same rules for anybody from anywhere in the world who wants to play professional football. Europeans now treated the same as an African or Asian. Problem ??
You've just written out my exact point. It was literally denied, then granted after an appeal and further examination. A European no longer automatically qualifies to work in the UK. Whether or not that's a 'problem' or whether or not it's right that Europeans be treated the same as people from other parts of the world was not the point I was making. I have my own opinion on that but it has nothing to do with the fact that Costa, as a European citizen, was initially denied the automatic right to simply sign for Wolves and start playing. But thank you for agreeing so clearly that before Brexit Wolves and any Spanish or European player would have done nothing more than get on a flight and register the player with the FA, whereas after Brexit there is now an application process – one which was initially failed because criteria that previously didn't apply now applies. However, upon appeal – the criteria was waived and dispensation given.
It's also another example of those with wealth and power being given exceptions. Others that do not qualify for a visa to work here will just be denied entry. Full stop.
Your exact point was completely different to mine. I'll try again. It wasn't "literally" denied, he didnt meet the criteria needed at that stage, there is no application at this stage. No one denied it, there is a set system whose threshold you need to cross without the need for someone to give a decision. He didnt have enough points so would never gain a WP automatically. Wolves knew this would be the case. The procedure is if you don't qualify automatically, you appeal the set criteria and state your case to a three man panel. They did this and it was accepted, first time. See no denying. So the only thing Wolves did was state the case to the panel, that was successful, so nothing was ever denied. Your last paragraph is weird. I'm not agreeing with you. I was stating the law. So what if they could just sign before without getting a WP ? It's changed, we used to send kids up chimneys to clean them and women couldn't vote. Things change, get over it. They are now treated the same as an African or Asian Player and you seem to have a problem with that? You got something against Africans? why should they need a WP and a Spaniard doesn't? The answer isn't because you didnt before Brexit. In your world, if we were going to sign Louza tomorrow we should have a harder time than signing Bachmann, just because he comes from Africa ? Why should Bachmann get an easier route ? I suppose your answer will be, "because we did that before Brexit", so we must always continue to prejudice against non-Europeans? And you are happy with that because it fits your Brexit Narrative ? Seems a bit racist to me.
Ah, there we go. Twisting the definition of words followed by an accusation of racism. Happy for you to think I'm wrong, happy for you to vehemently disagree, but the lazy accusation of racism is nothing more than a sprint-to-the-bottom card played by so many in the Brexit debate and it's one I won't engage with any further, sorry. All I will say is that if you are going to play the racist card and use a real world example to back up your point at least get your facts right. Imran Louza was born in Nantes and has French citizenship (as well as Moroccan citizenship).
Here's a real world example, Diego Costa was born In Brazil, who he has played for a couple of times but is a Spanish National, who he has played for about 20 times. With your warped Brexit Ideology, if he had stayed in the country of birth he would deservedly have to apply for a work permit but since he is a Spanish National he shouldn't have to apply.
Nope. You're imagining things there and assuming you know my argument, which is another flaw typical in the way some Brexiteers debate things. I don't think Brazilians are bad / and Spanish good or anything of the sort. You're the one who wants to impose restrictions, requirements and rules on other people because they are not British. I've said no such thing. I just pointed out that prior to Brexit European citizens could move freely and work within Europe freely, which seems an open and inclusive thing to me. I didn't draw the boundary at Europe – Britain and the EU did that. I'm not solely British so I am fortunate in that I can still move a lot further afield for work or what-not than someone without dual citizenship and I happen to think that was a good, progressive and positive thing for many, many people. It certainly seems more open minded about the way a planet of people can operate than a three-person panel totting up points and saying 'yes' to one person and 'no' to the next based on a weird idea of what sounds fair and sensible but, is in fact, restrictive and protective. Fine, be restrictive and protective – that's a perfectly valid argument. Just stick with "I don't want foreign people coming here for work unless they meet an arbitrary criteria and I want all foreigners to be restricted by exactly the same criteria." I can respect that view. But don't invent my argument in your own brain and get it wrong in the process. Anyway, my point initially was a lighthearted one that a Spanish citizen prior to Brexit had to meet zero criteria to work here and now they do. A point that was correct and that you've since proven. I really am bowing out now, rather than disappear down your rabbit hole of invention.
And now there is no border, we've gone past the Europe thing, we treat everyone the same rather than favouring a certain group of people.
We really don’t treat everyone the same, that’s nonsense. Do you think we treat the applications of millionaires and billionaires the same as ordinary people? Do you think it’s as easy to get into the Country if you come from the US or Africa? Repeating this thing you can’t really believe or don’t even want to happen is classic Brexit bad faith.
Strawman Argument. The talk was of a millionaire footballer not a potato picker, leave the goalposts where they are, thank you.
We treat everyone the same, regardless of country or particularly continent. Was my point. You knew that but decided to move the goal posts to Millionaires and Billionaires. To status rather than location. Strawman Argument. Simple point, no need to twist it. I'll try again. It is now irrelevant whether you come from Africa, Asia or Europe you get treated the same for work purposes. Your problem with that is..................?
I’ve got no problem with treating people the same, whether that’s the whole World or defined areas in order to benefit our own population. But status has everything to do with it. The skilled worker requirements hugely favour those developed Countries that can most easily develop those skills. You may think that’s ok, but then that will be your own straw man. We also treat visas differently on aspects of low risk, which are much easier for people from more developed countries to meet and when we will look for low skilled workers we will make arbitrary decisions to allow in workers from certain countries. So our arrangement with the EU was one arrangement that was beneficial to us. The question is whether this one is as useful. But if you want to talk about fair, you can’t dismiss wealth and status. Wealthy Brexiteers knew that would be the case. Brexit was never intended to impede their interests.
Good for you. Most who have commented seem to think a European footballer should have precedence on ability to work in the UK over a non European based on the fact that you could 5 years ago. The rest is irrelevant to Diego Costa's work permit. It's your subjective take on employment law after Brexit.
This totally misses the point of the EU and the four pillars of freedom of movement of labour, capital, services and goods. It's a trading block where multiple countries have joined to replicate many of the economic benefits of being a single country. To complain that someone from Spain is giving an advantage over someone from Africa would be the same as complaining that someone from Sussex applying for a job in Herts has an advantage over someone from South America. That is the point. It is a union for the economic benefit of it's members and citizens. It's the same in the USA where anyone from any State can apply for work, and move freely, to other states. Is that racist?
yes, of course - should have said British people could move and work freely in Europe and Europeans could move freely and work freely in the UK.
