I’ve just told you that’s not what anyone is doing. This is just political debate. What I do in an idle few minutes. It’s not my career, which continues to be fine, thanks for your interest. And it’s not about a vote six years ago. This about what the Government does now, the agreements it signed that it cannot make work. It’s support for agriculture and fisheries etc. That is current. Truth is inside the EU or out, Westminster makes decisions about how much most people will get paid, the benefits they have, how many foreign billionaires can rocket up the price of housing etc. That wasn’t good enough within the EU and it’s not getting better by any available measure. What you got was a pretty flag to wave. If you are happy with that, fine. But you haven’t had anything more. Seems it’s you that cannot get over winning six years ago, as if you answered all arguments.
3 of you now !! 3 on 1 or 75% against 25%, shame that the vote wasn't that in your favour, you wouldnt be here now. Three people who will be sitting in their 80's telling anyone who'll listen, that, they could of done this or had the chance to do that. Rather they had a go and it didn't work. I'm getting bored of poking you with my stick, so I'll say Au Revoir and leave you to your self pity and blaming everyone else for your tribulations. PS. I can still get my Fois Gras so I'm all right. Thxs Jack.
Turning over just under £1m before pandemic and brexit. Paying lots of CT, PAYE, VAT. What line of work are you in? Going to answer why Brexit has been good for it? You should stick around. Henry Hooter is looking for a mate.
The vote wasn't in the country's favour but I am half Irish, and also have Australian citizenship, so personally I'm no worse off. But unlike you I actually care about the UK and those that live here who have had opportunities taken away from them and even had their livelihoods ruined thanks to Brexit. I want those issues highlighted and, where possible, mitigated as much a possible. I will never understand the selfishness of some people. But I guess if you are ok then that's ok....feck everyone else.
You presumably are feeling nice and smug that you've got one over on the intellectual elite, but all you've done is present yourself as an ignorant (in the literal sense of the word) *****. Well done.
All of these liberal lefties in one place, this could escalate into nibbles and wine party at any minute!
I don’t understand why I can’t get a decent glass of Chablis at the King Power. Bet you don’t get many Luton fans booking cycling holidays eh?
Welcome to the politics thread. There's usually a three for one deal on anyone who expresses a moderate or right wing opinion. I think the most upsetting thing for some chaps on here, is that people do not permit a simple labelling of right wing politics as racist or fascistic anymore. In fact, they get very embarassed very quickly when people mention their own very right wing opinons and even capitalistic ideals, and have even defended old fashioned white supremacist concepts such as first, second and third worlds. If anyone went by the written content of posts alone, they would assume that half the lefties on here were on the right. Watch out for it. Notice already. You have been asked about the capitalistic benefits of Brexit for business, by a left wing poster on here. Any moral or idealistic reason for leaving the EU is dismissed and ignored as if it has never been mentioned, but threaten their profit margin at your peril.
Mods. Please ignore the lefties winding people up with abusive language to get a thread deleted again.
Over a year ago you said you had your docs and were moving to Ireland, if I recall correctly. If you had done so, surely you would have solved most, if not all, of the above problems. What we are to take away from you staying in the UK, is what you offered us through your own words. Perhaps there are deeper reasons, but from the perspective of your posts on here, it would seem that it is more beneficial for you to remain, over all, otherwise we can only assume you would have done what you enthusiastically claimed you would do, and had been enabled to do. Not judging you or criticising you. It is up to you what you do. Just pointing out what your actions suggest, and how they appear to contradict your claimed ideals and the posts in which you are so abusively critical of others.
This is just an admission that you can't cope with democracy. Can you explain why anyone should put up with your selfishness, or that of remainers? What an incredibly hypocritical and self defeating thing to say. How embarrassing to say something like it out loud. This is the attitude that reasonable, democratic people have to argue against in this modern world where some people cannot see beyond their own opinion. It's democracy. Please learn to live with it.
He's full of S-hit, easy to contact a Gestoria in Spain, they will set up a holding address and a SL company within Spain. His hobby could be run from that, pay your taxes and Social Security payments they're due quarterly and Gestoria fees and, Happy Days. From personal memory I needed 3006 euros in a Spanish Bank as initial capital that covers the share issue, which can be withdrawn after a few months. Might need an NIE number, can't remember, but the Company get issued a CIF number which is similar to our UTR for tax purposes. And means Spanish suppliers take you seriously. Wasnt hard to do and we was trading with a limited company within a few weeks. Easier to blame Brexit than adapt to new practices.
Complaining that it’s 3 against 1, but no answers from you to the points I raise. All a bit snowflakey to flounce like that. Either debate or don’t.
Except that you now need a visa (either Entrepreneur or Self Employed) since Brexit as you must be legally resident in Spain to start a business there. Not impossible but not guaranteed either.
Was you? Was this when we was in the EU? Could you do it today? You have no idea, do you? You are clearly an ignorant WUM and I really can't be arsed with you.
Firstly, the poster who originally used the term on here, and who has not retracted his use of the term, has liked your subsequent posts on the subject, presumably because you have unwittingly given his use some sort of validation. So what did you do when you clarified their creation and approved use, as devised by white supremacists, in the late sixties and early seventies? In response to my having called them out as old fashioned, racist and bigoted? Everyone knows their historical use. No one needed anyone to clarify what was meant and how they were used. I asked you if you thought the terms were inappropriate, whether the Soviet Union or 'third world contries' would agree with the usage, and you did not reply. That was an opportunity to clarify your position on a matter you freely chose to contribute to, and you chose not to do so. What is a person to think? Were you evading being drawn on a rather unpleasant subject, or were you, as I suggested at the time, more concerned at the likelyhood that you may agree with me on the forum? I am not saying you are a white supremacist, but I am saying that, having contributed to the subject, your uncritical attitude to their use does leave space for suggestion that it was your intention to defend or at least excuse the poster's use of the terms. Particularly when that poster has not retracted their use of the term, and has liked every response you have made on the subject. Clearly, a person who has used the terms without compunction, also took your posts to be defensive of his use of them. You now have another chance to clarify your position.
Why would you have to set up in Spain if we were still in the EU? I thought that was the whole point of your argument. It doesn't seem to make sense. And anyway, you still could have done this from Ireland, which is where you told this forum you would be moving as soon as you could. No wonder you can't be arsed. In reality, your concerns are more capitalist than socialist, and when it comes to UK or EU, you clearly have chosen the UK. How can anyone come to any conclusion other than that? Based on your own posts on this thread. I am not critical of your life decisions, they are yours to make. But your abusive posts on here in which you seem to contradict your reality (as you yourself describe it to us) is a little on the unpleasant side.
The terms were initially coined in the early 1950s as part of an attempt to define global political structure in a Cold War context. 1st World = western-aligned capitalist democracies 2nd World = avowed communist opponents to said capitalist democracies 3rd World = all countries that were not aligned with either of the above two categories; ie, the rest of the world. So absolutely nothing to do with 'White Supremacist' thinking, at least not initially. Indeed, how could this be so when countries such as Japan & South Korea were included in the '1st World' category? In the post in which I specified the origins of the terms, I clearly alluded to the potential for unsavoury misinterpretation of those terms if people with other agenda decided to wilfully misuse the original definitions for their own ends. This has indeed happened and it is clearly not to be accepted, hence the move towards 'Global North' & ' Global South' as another descriptor. (Clearly, with the end of the old Cold War alignments, the main defining element in the model has become redundant). It seems somewhat unreasonable to accuse those who created clearly-defined and specific terms of 'white supremacist attitudes' because subsequently those terms were used differently to the way they were originally intended and defined. If you are asking me whether I would justify the use of '3rd World' as a perjorative term, then clearly I would not. However, that is not what my original post (clearly marked with 'point of info') was intended for. I refuse to accept anyone implying I would ever countenance any hint of 'white supremacist thinking' simply because they have decided to ignore the precise definition of terms to suit their own interpretation of what they think the creators of those terms really meant. Especially when that interpretation is plain wrong.
It must have been as you need a visa to obtain residence now which was not required under FOM. You still needed to be legally resident but the process was simple when we were in the EU.....pretty much as he describes.
This is why few forumites will discuss anything with this poster. His stock in trade is to misrepresent what others write and then repeat that misrepresentation endlessly. He is not someone who is looking to reach agreement or even amiable disagreement with political opponents. He is a troll who pleasures himself by strongly implying other forum members are racists, misogynists or even paedophiles.
I'll give you a clue. Not hard to do, but easier to blame Brexit. Trying to make out that business can't be done in EU countries is laughable. As I said before a good Gestoria will sort all the below out for you. Might cost a couple of quid and not as straightforward as before but Spain was never easy, that's why they have Gestorias. Or just read the last line of the article. You Sir are a fraud. Foreign companies opening up a branch or subsidiary in Spain If you are running your own company in UK, but are looking to set up a branch or subsidiary, doing this can be simpler than starting from scratch with a new company. When processing your application, you must provide a series of documents, including the following: A copy of the main company’s certificate of incorporation and certificate of good standing Notarized power of attorney Spanish tax identification number (NIE) A member of staff at the Spanish branch to be a resident in Spain, who will agree to be liable for any company debts and tax payments While additional branches and subsidiaries don’t need to file accounts on the business register, they must pay income tax and submit quarterly VAT returns through their NIE number. Some banks and business advisory companies will offer special packages to help you set up the particulars of opening a new branch in Spain.
Yep: https://balcellsgroup.com/steps-to-set-up-a-company/#Who_can_start_a_business_in_Spain "No matter if you are a foreigner or a local citizen of Spain, everybody is allowed to start your business in the country. The only requirement is that you are a legal resident."
Nope, can be done with a notarised, representative if you have a UK Ltd company. And there are companies over there that supply such. Just had a whatsapp conversation with someone over there and was told it can even be done with an Off the Shelf Ltd company as long as it's been incorporated a few years and can get the cert of good standing. ( and most off the shelf are better than Live Companies in that respect). It just isn't so that business has stopped, I know so many people who had headaches setting everything up the months before before Brexit came in, but things have got easier as the EU countries decide how things are actually going to be done. But if you have a Spanish NIE number and he should have as he was using the country for his business so should morally be paying a proportion of taxes there, or is he a poor mans leftie Google? nothing is impossible and there are lots of people willing to do the legwork for you if you don't speako the lingo. I have 2 pals who import raw materials from China, they are Londoners, no Chinese in their families, they have to deal with not even having the same alphabet and red tape like there is no tomorrow. Three years ago a sea container from China was $1800, went upto $10,000 and they adapted, went down to $6000 last year and everyone thought it was over, but start of this year it hit $17,000. They're still here earning a small fortune. Yet the Hobbyist can't even deal with a country 1000 miles away where people who he needs will speak English to him, just to facilitate him. Pathetic. Covid was and is a bigger problem to business than Brexit will ever be.
So now you have changed the criteria to opening a branch or subsidiary, not a new business, in Spain. That falls apart with the "member of staff" accepting liability for the company's tax and debt. Do you think many staff members in a small business would agree to take on the responsibility for their employer's tax and debt?
Nobody said trade will stop. But trade with the EU has become harder and more bureaucratic. Starting a business, working or living in the EU has become harder. And, in some cases, impossible. And for what? The damn experts don't agree. The long term impact of Brexit on the economy will be greater than Covid: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59070020#:~:text=The impact of Brexit on,4% in the long term. And your solution is for UK business just to move to EU countries, employ locals and pay tax there. Because it makes trading with other EU countries easier. How do you think that will help our economy?
Very good. As I have said, I think it was necessary for you to clarify your reason for making that post, because it did not add anything to what was being discussed. You gave it as a point of info, implying that something that had been said was somehow incorrect. Which was not the case. Nothing in that post, or the one above, change a thing about the white supremacist root of the terms. The west, in the 1950s, was dominated by the pre-civil rights USA, where racial and white supremacist thinking was as institutional as it gets, and even in the UK and Europe, race relations were awaiting an enlightenment that would not become a norm for another thirty years. The terms reflect the racism of the time, and that is why people do not use them anymore. It is incredible to me that "western alligned" is not seen as white supremacism writ large, particularly when I am discussing the matter with people who describe themselves as being on the left wing. What colour do you think westerners are considered to be by the rest of the world? And how patronising is it that the other capitalist counties are merely poodle nations alligned with the white man (according to your definition). Why was the first world not defined as "the allied capitalist democracies" which does not set the west apart, or make us the ones to which others should be alligned. The whole concept is so condescending and bigoted that it may freely be interpreted as a calculated insult to put these 'other' countries in their place, even those which are "alligned with the west" (you are not us, you are only alligned with us), and I am unsure why it is assumed that this was not the purpose at the time. The term is most certainly white supremacist, born of a time when racism was systemic, possibly unconcious, but white supremacist non the less. The terms are not used now because that has been recognised. Anyone who doesn't believe me, just go to a Labour conference and use it in a conversation about diversity, and see how long it is begore you are quite fairly criticised for doing so. They would not hesitate to call anyone doing so racist and bigoted white supremacists, and I would have some sympathy with them. The language is inflammatory and offensive. But if people are happy to use it on here, then go right ahead. People can judge them on their deeds.
Another example of someone only seeing something through the prism of their own, shall we say, 'idiosyncratic' filter. Meaning, what they decide something means, or what they decide someone else really meant, is all they are willing to consider. Forget the words actually used, forget any explanations; but then why would that matter to someone who states that what terms mean has no relevance to how they decide to use them? And then you have the audacity to demand someone else clarifies things. He who wants no real clarity when he's asked to provide it. I'm also sure the Japanese and South Koreans are delighted to be lumped in with western white supremacists; or are you suggesting they're a bit too close to being white? We'll also skip over the role of the (non-white-supremacist) UN in coining those terms.
Jesus, he didnt' want to open a new business he said he couldn't trade in Spain and his million pound hobby was gone. And it doesn't fall apart, thats how Spain works, each bank manager is judged on his branches turnover not as a collective, they all are looking for a way to generate new business. A Spanish Legal representative takes responsibility for your tax affair, there are hundreds of companies who will set it up for you, with people in place to be your tax representative. We had a business here in UK admittedly before Brexit. But running uptil 2014. Spain havent really got a repossession process, it can take as long as 10 years, lots of UK house owners walked away around 2009 and the houses were just sitting there, placing lots of toxic debt on the banks , one the biggest CAM folded due to it. They employed us to ask the house owner to go back, give the bank power of attorney on the property at a Notary, so they could sell without going through repossession. They would not then pursue the householder for any money owed regardless of purchase price. And strangely promised they would then be credit worthy in Spain as soon as it was sold.We had 3 bank managers doing this, off their own back to improve their own branches figures. There was no obvious way to get paid, so any product sold that could have a finders fee/kickback but wasn't applied, they siphoned it off to us as if we had. That is how it works there, you clearly have never done business there if you think they haven't got banks willing to be a representative to UK subsidaries in Spain, with the extra revenue.
Experts ? Nige was a clown 6 years ago, a person of ridicule. But yesterday you were quoting him as an expert. Because it suited.
