M8, you can’t so much as absent-mindlessly doodle a swastika on one, without a visit from a BBC Detector Van, which incidentally can now check if you are vaccinated.
So, he asks everyone in the country, and he is asking everyone in the country, but the bigoted, working class hating, anti-British left wing reduces it to readers of the Sun, presumably because they know it is pointless asking the beligerent remoaner left to have their nose sewn back on in face saving plastic surgery. Technically, they are right, in that he is asking everyone, including readers of the Sun. But they try to persuade their readers that their opinion would not be equally valued, should they offer practical suggestions on making Brexit work for them. Yet another reminder why Labour, and the left, have made themselves unelectable, and how they are totally oblivious of how their attitudes are their own worst enemy.
Less of a rumour and more a claim of her own I think. She had a clause in her Strictly contract forbidding any jiggy kind of moves. But that’s not to say she isn’t quite the romantic and membership of such an important English campaign group could be just the gift to set up an affair of the heart.
Jonathon Friedland last night (far more eloquently than the 'News Quiz' panellist who pointed out the the new 'free' UK was desperately seeking trade deals with countries who don't want nor need anything we've got to sell): And the killer final paragraph (my emphasis):
Simply opinion. Not a shred of evidence, just opinion that relies on remoaners continuing to believe the BS they have been fed through the nose. Fury when Brexiteers realise they were lied to? Why should they feel fury, when they knew the situation would be that things get worse before they get better. It was written into the understanding of leaving the EU, was well discussed, and is fully known. What he is talking about is the fury that remoaners are feeling and will continue to feel for as long as their affront at having lost a democrtatic vote is more important to them than the Nation they live in. Remember, it is the remoaners who have lied more than anyone else in this matter with the litany of BS that was and continues to be project fear. Even when remoaners have had the snot from their noses wiped off with the lies they have told, they have simply ignored it and moved onto the next lie. The list is endless. So why should anyone else feel fury at 'lies' that weren't even lies in the first place? They were risks and we are not even close to seeing the results of having taken them. But yet again, remoaners seek to make hay whilst the sun shines on them. Remoaners don't even feel a shred of guilt about either speaking lies or having their own lies spelled out them. Why should they expect anyone else to give a damn about them.
Describing Malaysia could be described as bigoted. I imagine JRM would be among the first to point this out to anyone that did so.
I am working class and I have never read the Sun. So I am not averse to the point made in the final sentence here, but the first paragraph is extremely detached from reality, and attempts to deflect, or simply ignore, one of the most offensive Government-Press tag-team tie ins that ever helped stink out politics in this country. The Sun backed Blair fully and, if you will remember correctly, the Labour PM was criticised for introducing a new era of press influence on politics, practically having provided Rupert Murdoch with a key to the front door of Number 10, disussing policy directly with him prior to its introduction. So please do not take this 'many living Sun readers who are former Labour voters' comment at face value. The Sun, and all of Murdoch's media, had the last Labour Government in its pocket for a very unhealthy period of time, manipulating Labour and other voters unethically, and unlawful wars and financial disaster ensued. Someone tell me I am wrong.
I agree. This post does reflect remainer desperation. A non sequitur meme that literally provides nothing, except a demonstration of remainer fragility. If remainers were confident about this, they would have just laughed at it. But instead, they reveal their own desperation by attemting to exorcise the evil.
I doubt many voters will be that interested in the macro economics. The voters did not say that the Tories have presided over a general decline in the UK world ranking in GDP per capita since 2010. They will judge on matters like mobile phone roaming charges, their personal experience of the cost and supply of goods and services, what voices they hear on the bus. After all most people only go to Europe once a year for a holiday, and most voters don’t even do that. It’s only a minority upset by the bureaucracy that now applies to exporting goods, or relocating to an EU country or getting a job in the EU. Even the great totem, the fishing industry no longer holds much attention. The industry is smaller, few employees and fewer boats operating. In my view the negative consequences are likely to be mitigated to a degree. The economy will be smaller than it would, but we are seeing other factors crashing around us that will amplify arguments either way. One is the political pressures in Eastern Europe, the second the increasing wave of economic migration from Africa, another is the political and economic decay of the US as China and India build their economic strength and flex their political muscles. Finally the consequences of the need to reform world systems, (still based on the WW2 settlement), in politics like the UN and world economy the monetary system with the emergency of crypto currencies. So I think the only rational response now is to make BREXIT work, rather than devoting energy to reverse it. There will be simply too many other things to cope with. In that sense there may be a snowballing to a crisis resulting in the UK reintegrated into the EU. Or it will be a series of pragmatic steps, like signing up to the Customs Union.
Is any political party campaigning not to make Brexit work? We are where we are. The Nats would have a different approach if Scotland became independent, but that’s about it. Labour will definitely run on ‘make Brexit work’. It’s a bit of a straw man. Few of us control much capital. What we can actually do to make Brexit work is virtually non-existent. The battle against its consequent high consumer prices will occupy most people’s thoughts. The exhortation to make Brexit work mostly means ‘stop moaning’ and salute the flag like an obedient serf. No reason why people can’t speak their minds. It has brought few benefits so far. People can say so. How much of a long term disaster it is depends on your standpoint. The UK will continue on its path to be reliant on the fortunes of despots who want a place to rest their loot. Superficially, the UK will remain a very wealthy Country with eye-watering house prices. Like Switzerland, consumer prices will follow, but benefits and wages at the bottom end won’t nor will public services. Brexit Britain will be very good indeed for Jacob Rees Mogg. Many others can eat cake. We need to accept that we need Europe for food and goods and should accept its terms for that trade. We should also accept that our own trade deals will not replace that and so there is no reason not to align them. We can then enjoy the nearby block and satisfy the desire for independence in all other matters (which we largely had anyway).
I think it's more about trying to make Brexit not quite as **** as it could be. For Brexit to "work" then it has to make the country better off and the opportunities for the majority to be greater. No one, as far as I can find, has articulated how that is going to happen because of Brexit. The fact that JRM is now begging for reasons for Brexiting after the event says it all imo. But yes, I agree, we all need to do what we can to mitigate this self inflicted clusterfeck.
No one is saying salute the flag. But stop moaning and get on with it seems to be a reasonable plea to those who spend so much time trying to prove Brexit is not working. The remainers on here are not going to persuade anyone that they want Brexit to work. The reason for that is not me calling them out, but people seeing their behaviour and attitudes in the posts they make.
Don't be fooled by that duplicitous charlatan - the 'plea' in The Sun was just a front to legitimise all of the lobbyists who now have to single point of entry to 'sell their wares'.
The irony that Brexit has produced so much more red tape (7 miles of it at Dover today) will be lost on both those lobbyists and Sun readers. So what red tape do they mean? Are Sun readers are being invited to form a head of steam against parental rights, the working time directive, annual leave for agency staff, environmental protections etc?
That is the thing. Lots of talk about deregulation and bonfires of red tape but what does that actually mean? I have no problem with supporting whatever is best for the country and measures that will mitigate the effects of Brexit. But I will never support the reduction in standards and workers rights to create a Singapore style "successful" economy. Many Brexiters claimed that Brexit was not about economics but a move to a deregulated economy says differently. The sad thing is that many of those cheering the Government's declaration that they will reduce "bureaucracy" will suffer the worst when/if it happens.
Chatting to my mate on the way back from VR (in an admittedly depressive mood) - he summed it up that as 2 60 year olds, hope for a better UK in our lifetimes is dwindling away. We will, for the next 20 years, be playing catchup to the great trading blocks with one hand tied behind our backs; our children will go through their most productive economic years with all of the advantages we had diminished or taken away. So very sad.
I am just happy that since Brexit, we have started mitigating the effects of EU membership. Such as vaccine roll out and fastest growth in the G7, as well as trade deals with countries the EU have been stalling over for over a decade now. We have also avoided moves towards federalisation, non-representation at top level policy making, exploitation of cheap labour through freedom of movement, and of course we have been able to seperate ourselves from extremist influence on mainstream politics. I could go on.
This just goes to show that remainers have no idea why people voted for Brexit, despite it having been explained repeatedly and in all its simple glory. It wasn't leavers who didn't know what Brexit they were voting for, but remainers who didn't understsnd the Brexit they were voting against. Self rule. We got it, for good or for bad. It was that simple. The capitalistic materialism of remainers is their lookout. What's in it for me? Yet almost invariably they consider themselves on the left of politics. The remainer despair at losing a democratic vote, and their absolute inability to understand that people did not vote for Brexit to become better off, is a joke. And it demonstrates an entrenched affinity with wealth at any cost that should make any self respecting old school lefty blush. Instead, it makes them angry that their profit margin has been cut, that cheap labour is now harder to exploit, that extremists are less able to influence the main stream, that we can open up immigration from other (more diverse) parts of the world, that we will not be part of Super State Europe with its gigantic army, etc..
This is encouraging news... https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...s-Northern-Ireland-Protocol-customs-climbdown If this is what is meant be "making Brexit work", I'm all for it. Doing what you negotiated, signed and put into UK legislation is a minimum for making Brexit work imho.
If Brexiteers think they can trust Johnson they are utter mugs. He’s always told people anything they want to hear and done the opposite when it suited him or he had no alternative. Reality is we cannot do without Europe. We cannot allow tariffs if whole thing breaks down, whereas they are less and less in need of us. We also cannot let the GFA fall. So we have to make the agreement work. I hope the ERG boneheads will then stage their puny rebellion throwing the Tories back into their never-ending chaos on Europe.
That’s just garbage. We have the fastest growth because we had the mightiest crash in 2020. If like the Germans we had seen just a -4.5% rather than -9.7% fall in GDP, vaccinated a bigger proportion of the population, had the same deaths per capita, etc, etc You may have a point. Their response to the pandemic saw fewer hospitalisations and fewer work days lost. They spent less per capita supporting the economy. The fall in GDP is the same for both. Their system of government has been more efficient. They could do all that within the EU so could we. Avoiding the pitfalls of federalisation? With Chester and Flint having different rules on when and how you could go about your daily business?
Exactly. The economic bounce, although welcome, comes from the largest economic fall. And the "world beating" vaccine rollout schtick is wearing a bit thin:
It's all straight out of the same playbook as the extra police officers, nurses, hospitals, etc. nonsense.........
World beating vaccine Schtick is because it did beat the rest of the world, and was clearly the catalyst that booted the EU up the jacksey to get their own roll out going. Remember the reaction of the EU to our success? Breaching the Brexit agreement to the disgust of the rest of the world, causing so much embarrassment that they had to back down in disgrace. Then attempted legal action to cease our vaccine orders, followed by deliberate and life costing BS about the AZ vaccine. What a bunch of unsavoury characters remainers like to side with. These things are not forgotten, nor are the projections of where the EU would have been had we not embarrassed them into action. Brexit benefitted us and, reluctantly, the EU when it comes to the vaccine
SEE! Bulgaria is in the EU and has a 29% fully vaccinated rate. Blighty wins by over 40%! Rule Britannia!
Sigh. Seem to remember a point when we had vaccinated more people than the US and EU put together, around a year ago. But anti British types will put old Blighty down when it suits, I guess.
