Qpr 1-2 Watford Fc - 14/01/2024

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Vic, Jan 9, 2024.

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Happy/Hapless/Hoops/Hornets here goes…

  1. Quite Poor Really (home win)

    11 vote(s)
    26.2%
  2. Quit Playing Rajovic (a bore draw)

    3 vote(s)
    7.1%
  3. Quite Purposeful Recovery (away win, after conceding first)

    16 vote(s)
    38.1%
  4. Quite Pleasingly Rampant (good away win. Clean sheet)

    7 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. Quique Pozzo Reunion (no one wins)

    8 vote(s)
    19.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    No one's saying xG is the be-all and end-all. The original point was to counter the suggestion that xG is purely subjective and that it's less of an indicator than one person's 'eye test'. It's simply not. There's a method to it and it provides measurable data. Now, you can disagree with the method, but that's a different argument.
     
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  2. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Until my next post of course.
     
  3. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn Reservist

    True but 1 goal in the cup and one goal in the league back in August only with over 1000 mins played.
     
  4. Ilkley

    Ilkley Formerly known as An Ilkley Orn Baht 'at

    We'll have none of this balanced assessment around here! This is a forum for very strongly held opinions. Mine is that you're right and no amount of factual evidence is going to convince me otherwise.
     
  5. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    And losing in Spain/Portugal.
     
  6. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Armstrong reminded me of the Kienan Davis apologists last season, those who claimed the lack of goals was ok because his hold up play and work rate was so high. For Davis that clearly wasn't the case as he had the touch of a trampoline, no ability to move after 60 minutes and was generally crap.

    Armstrong won't score many goals but is the perfect foil for a small and quick striker. He ran our backline ragged today but there was nobody else near him to profit from the space.
     
  7. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    Who is "crap" ?
     
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  8. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    We were lucky today to get all 3 points but then again we had several first choice players out with either injury, illness or suspension whereas arguably QPR put out their strongest team, including Chair and Willock who, according to a QPR supporting work colleague of mine were expected to be out injured today

    Anyway, I've got bragging rights at work tomorrow
     
  9. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    To qualify the term “crap” I’m equating that to a squad capable of finishing in 6th place or above. If we were in League One then I would consider our squad very good indeed. So it’s all relative to aspirations.

    Who from our team would sit comfortably in a top 6 team? I don’t think many fulfil that criteria.

    It’s easier to list those I don’t consider crap. Andrews, Aprilla, got a soft spot for Sema, and the form of Kayembe, Livermore and Kone has nudged themselves up the ladder in my opinion.

    But for the rest, I don’t really see too much that convinces me they are little more than lower league players.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2024
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  10. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Particularly the one where he basically mis controlled the ball one on one allowing Hamer to come out.

    If our strikers did that they would be slated.

    I remember he actually caused a few problems after coming on in the first game but as you point out hardly scores and gets cramp easily.

    Like a young mini Okaka?
     
  11. hjw

    hjw Reservist

    Kienhan Davies, 1 appearance for our italian brothers this season! On a side note, Okoye is now Udinese's number 1 and has been doing alright by all accounts. Do you think we can swap him for bachmann?
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Been injured I think.

    The now departed Butterfly man actually got asked about Okoya and said he was staying as they still had high hopes for him at the summer fans forum but within weeks was moved on.

    I guess Gino stepped in and quickly had other ideas.
     
  13. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Not enough desire
     
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  14. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    But it passed the one-eye test. :eek:
     
  15. Lubaduck

    Lubaduck First Year Pro

    If you mean lazy then say lazy
     
  16. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Very good.
     
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  17. Steel City Gold

    Steel City Gold Reservist

    Firstly, a certain poster tries so very, very hard to:

    o_O Do his/her level-best to derail every single post-match discussion with some form of joyless, negative take on pretty much everything

    Secondly, may I refer our dear readers to:

    :) #Post 251

    Keep the Faith

    SCG
     
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  18. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Prior to Lewis and Sema getting injured, Morris hadn't played a single minute since 20th September vs West Brom. He's not even been included in the squad in recent months. He was completely out of Val's favour.

    From October up to him getting injured, Lewis was subbed off 5 times, each of which resulted in Sema either switching to, or coming on at, left back or LWB.
     
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  19. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    apologies
     
  20. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Watford fans have always preferred a "trier" to a "doer"

    Never forget, this is the brain-dead fanbase that slated Deulofeu.
     
  21. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    It will always be a mix in every fan base. The bit I have always noticed over the years is that some fans will always prefer players that are easier on the eye over those that are maybe more scruffy but more effective. Give me substance over style i.e. Sema over Martins, yet a large number of fans get on King Kens back at any opportunity.
     
  22. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    e should of used oscar wikdes last words m8

    "My wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. One or the other of us must go."
     
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  23. Steel City Gold

    Steel City Gold Reservist

    We won

    We're 8th

    We're a point off the play-offs

    You're talking tosh

    And phishing/fishing....
     
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  24. hemelhorn88

    hemelhorn88 Academy Graduate

    Brilliant away day. Hungover walk around a very quiet leicester square and Trafalgar Square trying to feel more human ( my local pub haf their last night yesterday drank it dry). Then off to a pub in central london thats open that early, then 3 points when playing bad but winning first time ive seen us win away for 6 and half years. Then drinking in london getting robbed for beer prices like we robbed those west london losers away days priceless
     
  25. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Yes but it’s a win against a bottom 3 side so it doesn’t count.
     
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  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    This is all true.....but is not a balanced piece. You are quite entitled to write in this way and you will never get a negative comment from me if you do.........but you shouldn't give out little digs (as you always do) to those who are not mindlessly appreciative if Ismael produces aromatic farts.

    It's always extremely safe to highlight the positives. You will always be liked on this forum if you do this....which again is fine if that's your thing.......but in any balanced piece the negatives (if there are any) need to be expressed too. You cannot seem to resist the usual snide comments. See post #332. You can use the 'ignore' feature but somehow you cannot bring yourself to do it. You've forgotten to mention your flounce joke too.....which is always so hilarious. You even started an entire thread on it I seem to remember. So, maybe it's you with the problem of having me live rent free in your head? So stop this obsession, place me on ignore as it seems you can’t stand the way I write, and your sanitised world will be a far better place without nasty HB1 spoiling things for you.
     
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  27. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    Poor tram -> streetcar -> desire.
     
  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I think most people know we were lucky to win and didn't play well etc but maybe don't write long winded posts about the game or stuff that isn't to do with it?

    Everyone is different of course and that is what makes forums work.
     
  29. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    So, just to be clear, exactly where do we deserve to be in the table right now based on our performances ?
     
  30. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Why not? Why can’t people write what they like? This is a forum to express opinions, to create debate and sometimes joke around. I don’t attack anyone and don’t target people or abuses them. I don’t get why so many want to police the forum and want it to be some kind of sanitised sugar-coated sanctuary. I think that’s a vile concept.

    I post opinion, and will answer any honest response to my observations. Usually some can’t stand their own views from being challenged and will ridicule, spin or make a nonsense of an alternative view to their own. Then the abuse starts. It’s always been this way, but I will always stick to my beliefs and will not alter my style of writing.

    If the mods don’t like it, I can be banished, but I don’t think I’ve ever fallen foul of anything in all the years I’ve written here. (Unlike a few regulars on here)
     
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  31. hemelhorn88

    hemelhorn88 Academy Graduate

    Top of the league as the refs have been awful when we have lost
     
  32. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    With this context, saying our squad is "crap" makes more sense now from your perspective. I'd reserve a crap squad term for a mostly relegation / midtable squad roster though myself but I can see with this clarification more where you've been coming from.

    A top 6 squad would feature Hoedt, Andrews, Livermore (Didn't see that coming but he's generally been immense), Koné (Form dependent), Kayembé (Form dependent), Asprilla and Sema. Louza has the ability but not invested.

    Average / Inconsistent has Hamer, Porteous, Sierralta, Pollock, Lewis, Ngakia (When... or, more accurately, if fit), Dele-Bashiru, Chakvetadze, Martins, Bayo, Rajovic, Healey.

    Lower / Relegation quality contains Bachmann, Morris, Hurtado and Ince.

    So to me, we have a midtable Championship squad with enough Play-Off level players when on form to make it a unlikely possibility with a few lower quality players of which one was dropped, one rarely features and the other is relied on too much. One is also far too raw to be counted on seriously.
     
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  33. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Thanks. Thought so.
     
  34. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    8th
     
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  35. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    8th top, or 8th from bottom?
     

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