Pre-season 2021/22

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by RS2, Jun 28, 2021.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    All players and most clubs have those .

    He should expect that unless he think a top club come in for him ?
     
  2. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Liver Salts?
     
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  3. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Someone's grumpy today.
     
  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I respectfully disagree. Deoulefou is better than all the forwards we've signed combined, and our defence is going to be relying heavily on Kiko, Masina, Cathcart/Kabasele. It's dogshit.
     
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  5. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    We did that away at Swansea and it was near enough our worst performance of the season.
     
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  6. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Having watched game and the just now the highlights I would say we look well set for counter attacking football.

    Main problem is we don’t have enough quality in midfield and so end up going long and losing possession , which will put us under too much pressure and better teams will eventually score .

    If yesterday was any indication of how Cucho can play he should starting every week.

    A front 3 of him , Sarr and King is exciting .

    Just lacking quality in midfield area.
     
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  7. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    Our defence is crap, it is basically the same as last time.

    But, I think it is better to have a potent attack that can push back the opposition and relieve pressure, or it becomes attack v defence.

    We obviously couldn't afford to replace the whole team, and I think given the choice it is best to try and have a threat up front

    Whether we will or not is another matter..
     
  8. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Not at all. Floating around in my happy clapper bubble.
     
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  9. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    I see Success wasn't involved in either game yesterday, I was hoping he was off but no there he is at the training ground this morning. He's probably got a nicely timed injury meaning he won't be fit until October.
     
  10. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist

    I get what you're saying. It'll be interesting to see who is right if he gets the chance to play on the left. Admittedly he was poor 3 seasons ago on the right. The option of bringing him on if we are defending a lead/draw would definitely make sense.
     
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  11. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist


    Most likely will go on loan to Udinese
     
  12. You mean the defence which just equalled a league record kind of crap
     
  13. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I do agree Geri is better than what we gave right now, but as a collective we are stronger. He is only one player and I’m not convinced he’s really hit over his injury.

    I’m not saying our defence is EPL quality as such but it is better than it was. Sierralta has improved the centre, and Troost-Ekong is a good defender. His distribution is his only downfall. Kabs and Cathcart will be squad players only. We do need another CB as well IMO.
     
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  14. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I have massive fears about our depth of quality at CB. But there’s every chance Rose is our LB - and we have 2 new starting CB’s. And Ngakia also. None of those were with us in the PL so it’s not the same as last time!
     
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  15. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    What about Pollock?
     
  16. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Never mind the Pollocks, here's the Cathcart.
     
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  17. GarbeliaHornet

    GarbeliaHornet Academy Graduate

    Of a basic predicted starting XI, only 3 were playing regularly in 19/20, and even Sarr, Hughes and Femenia weren't starting every game. If Hughes goes, it will just be 2.

    Bachmann: New (was Foster)
    Femenia: Was there 19/20
    TE: New (was Cathcart)
    Sierralta: New (was Kaba)
    Masina/Rose: New (was Holebas)
    Hughes: Was there 19/20
    Chalobah: New (was Capoue)
    Louza/Etebo: New (was Doucoure)
    Sarr: Was there 19/20
    King/Pedro: New (was Tom Deeney)
    Cucho/Dennis: New (was Deulofeu)

    The team has completely changed, even though only 4 of that lineup were new buys, and 2 of them were Udineses.
     
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  18. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Bachmann

    Ngakia - Troost - Sierralta - Rose

    Chalobah - Louza/Etebo

    Cucho

    Sarr - King - Dennis

    As a starting 11 that is potentially quite exciting in my opinion.

    We need another centre back, ideally to relegate Troost to third choice, another CM to replace Hughes, and a left back now that Masina is f**ked, but as I said the other day I am weirdly confident.
     
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  19. GarbeliaHornet

    GarbeliaHornet Academy Graduate

    If we somehow end up playing 4-2-1-3, the Hughes replacement would only have to be backup.
     
  20. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Midfielder (Yokuslu? Ferguson?), Doig and a centre back and I'll be delighted, although I suspect Sierralta will be used as an excuse not to sign a centre back
     
  21. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I am not advocating that we keep Deeney, in fact I would be more than happy if he goes.

    However it is beginning to look that he will not be leaving us, therefore I am suggesting that the deep no10 role is possibly the best way to deploy him if or when he plays and not as a no9.
     
  22. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    He seems far more effective at wing back where the flaws of his game are far less obvious. I just don't really rate him as a winger.

    As you say - he could maybe do a job as a defensive winger where necessary, but if we are playing a striker who doesnt score many goals and a midfield that doesnt score many goals, I don't see how he fits.
     
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  23. barely1egal

    barely1egal Reservist

    I really don't think you can get away with a front 4 as attacking as that. You are basically playing four forwards.

    I think it is more likely to be something like the below, which shows up that our depth in quality in midfield is seriously poor.

    Kiko/Ngakia - Troost - Sierralta - Rose/A Trialist

    Chalobah/- Louza/Etebo

    Cleverley Gosling/Quina

    Sarr/ Dennis - King/Pedro/Fletcher - Cucho/Sema

    I'd like a centre back to offer serious competition to Troost-Ekong, but if we lose Hughes I think midfield has to be the number one priority.

    I do think there is some quality in that side, but there are some real areas of concern at LB and in central midfield
     
  24. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    If Ken had any positional sense I think he'd make a great left back. However some of his awareness at wing back left a lot to be desired last season.
     
  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Why? Which 2 players do we have good enough to start in CM? Etebo, plus??

    It's also early days to tell whether Cucho will be the answer to the most advanced midfielder position - does he offer enough defensively? Is his passing creative enough?

    As barelegal says above I still don't see any combination of 3 players in the midfield spots from who we already have that won't get overrun in the PL.
     
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  26. GarbeliaHornet

    GarbeliaHornet Academy Graduate

    Personally, I'd rather take him rather than Rose. Bit more defensive training, and he could be our No. 1 non-Masina LB. I'd still like us to sign one though, but that is a potential plan if we can't afford a CB and LB. If we get the Hughes money, I'd take decent 6 mil CM and LBs though, and use spare scrapings/deadwood player trade to sign a CB.

    I was assuming that the rest of the lineup followed the one given, and that people were playing well in their positions given. I am not suggesting that we won't need a quality new CM if Hughes goes.
    And what happened to Louza and Chalobah in your mind? Not good enough?
     
  27. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    He's way too slow to be a full-back, he gets skinned too easily.
     
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  28. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    The best way to deploy him is on the bench, with him never leaving it.
     
  29. RS2

    RS2 Squad Player

    Sema over Rose?? I know we all have concerns about Rose's physique but he is a proven Premier League full back. I'm hoping Xisco is the right coach to get the best out of him again.
     
  30. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Why do people EDIT peoples posts when they are criticising what they say and hence show the persons comments out of context.

    If you are going to reply to someone else's post at least show exactly what they said and NOT try to mislead others by only showing part of what they said to make them look bad :mad:

    See #511 to see what I actually said and #518 to see how lowerrous tried to misrepresent my words :rolleyes:
     
  31. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    He's not 'editing' your post, he's highlighting the specific part of it that his comment is replying to directly - it's very standard practice, and for very obvious reasons.

    Apart from anything else, the quote in his comment has a link directly back to your original comment, so I don't see why there need be any fear of misrepresentation, and besides, it's about 3 comments up on the same page; we all saw what you wrote in the first place.
     
  32. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    We could get by with Sema as a LWB with us generally not having to weather many serious defensive storms in the Championship, but even at times (QPR and Middlesbrough away most of all), his defensive work was badly exposed. I'd probably keep him, with Sarr and possibly Dennis away in the winter, but he won't be anywhere near the first XI when everyone is available
     
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  33. Moosegasm

    Moosegasm Reservist


    Sounds like quite a radical strategy!! Bit of a rabbit hole if you ask me.......
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I don't think there's any chance we would play such an attacking team against prem quality. Only 3 of those front 4 will start, or only 2 if our captain and talisman starts.....
     
  35. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Hope it's Sarr-King-Cucho/Dennis with Louza as an attacking mid
     
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