I’m sure the same people were saying the same things about the ‘Woke’ BBC. But the public voted for Hamza. Funny how Brexiteer nationalists don’t respect that vote.
Maybe going on said show , even just to give balance on a debate, would mean that others with a similar left wing political slant would see Reid's in a different light . And this will never do . Because it is all about how people perceive yourself
I’m going by the people making a fuss about it being ‘fixed’, like GB News contributor, Nationalist and Brexiteer June Slater. June indicates the BBC contrived the result for a ‘woke agenda’. You can use your noggin and think whose politics that is. It’s not Jeremy flippin Corbyn fans is it? Lots of other people express opinions about who they think should have won and that’s up to them. I was a Fleur fan myself. Presumably plenty of Brexiteers also voted for Hamza as he won such a massive vote. So the subset is, those nationalists who think the BBC is so ‘woke’ it would fix a vote just to make a black man win. If you reckon those people didn’t vote for Brexit, then I’ve a bridge to sell you.
Maybe those who have a far greater knowledge on dancing than myself may have not voted for Hamsa regardless of politics ?
The vote is purely subjective. Any choice is fine, because it’s who is your favourite. You could make a case for any of the four finalists who were all terrific. Just address the issue, people who think it must have been fixed and their reason? The BBC is woke. Just for once, straight out, say what they are and what they mean by that.
Yes indeed. Also, and I’m going to go off my usual piste here, to reveal an inner Benny Hill - Jowita, I mean, Phwoaar.
Shouldn’t be though, should it? It should be about who is objectively the best dancer. If it’s “purely subjective” then that introduces the possibility of prejudice.
Shame. I might have given you less than 30 secs of my time (more than the average for viewer 'engagement' for the channel: https://pressgazette.co.uk/publishers/broadcast/gb-news-ratings-versus-talktv/
You don’t say. How could it be objective though? How would you be allowed to vote then? You are not a dance expert. The judges have the knowledge and they told you Fleur was best on the night. What makes you think your preference for Helen was objective? It’s fine as it is, in part who dances best, in part who entertains best and in part who you warm to the most.
I can’t be the first to notice that the pro dancers are all ******* gorgeous. Hell, even Gorka would get it.
A wild guess. It is a popularity contest and how could it be anything else? That includes how popular the dancing was.
Well, you’re right. But Mrs Keighley is, and she thought Helen should of one. If it’s just a popularity contest, let’s driop the dancing altogether and just call it Strictly Big Brother or summat.
It’s nothing to do with the “woke” thing. That’s clearly ********. However, I don’t agree with your notion that this is subjective and that that is alright; I think that is problematic precisely because it could let prejudice in the door (something Strictly has been accused of in the past). Or, to be more accurate, I don’t think it should be subjective, although I think it has become so.
Bit of context: https://adrianweale.com/2017/03/05/sebastian-gorka-and-his-distinguished-military-career/ Be warned - you'll have to fight your way past his groupies: https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/967086072038592512
It’s a vote. And everyone knows what they are voting for in all cases. That much has been proven. In this case, the vote is for the winner of Strictly Come Dancing. There is nothing to say that the people voting must vote according to any criteria whatsoever, except who they want to win. If your wife thinks Helen should win, good on her. That’s an entirely valid view. Cast her vote and then see what the outcome is. But if Barbara in Bradford votes for the nicest hair; or Steve in Southend votes because he liked the music, or Karen in Kilmarnock votes for the person she likes in *that programme* then that vote is just as valid as the person who is voting on the proficiency of the footwork and the intricacy of the choreography. That is one of the consequences of democracy. Everyone gets to make up their own minds what it is they are actually voting for. And for a lot of people I’m sure it really is as simple as a popularity contest. The alternative is that the voting should only be open to experts such as the judges and people who are trained dancers. Or perhaps people who reckon they know what they’re talking about should also have a vote? But as it stands people who haven’t got the first clue about the technical side of dancing, have only a passing knowledge of what the dances are called let alone the steps, and don’t understand the fundamentals of choreography are allowed a vote.
You are asking for something that is impossible and that has never been. It wouldn’t even be good for the show. Tony Adams couldn’t dance especially well and on that criteria was probably the first who should have gone. But he was madly entertaining. On that basis (and the goodwill towards him) he survived many weeks and great fun it was.
It’s not impossible, it’s a format choice made by the BBC, but it does leave the show open to voting which is “subjective” in the wrong way. Still, I suppose, as ETG says, that’s democracy…
That’s one possibility - but obviously that ship has long since sailed (and I can see why). The other option would be to have a weighting of public and judge votes to give more of a balance between merit and subjectivity. Hamza did enough to merit a win throughout the series (according to my untrained eye), but the fact is that the final made absolutely no difference to the result in this case, it might as well not have happened.
All the rounds have an equal weighting between the judges scores and the public. They could do that for the final, but the Strictly winner is the people’s winner. I disagree that the final makes no difference and I’m sure that Fleur, top scorer with the judges, will have picked up some votes on the basis of her performance. Ultimately, just a bit of fun innit?
Personally I think they should do that for the final but hey ho. Aye, it is, and it’s not as if any of the finalists didn’t deserve to be there.
