Oh The Wokey Cokey: Strictly Come Dancing Under Fire

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2022.

  1. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The start of this year’s Strictly has seen an outpouring of bile from the anti-woke brigade. Alison Pearson leads the charge for the Telegraph in a particularly unpleasant piece.

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    The argument is then, that somehow the appearance of disabled, gay or non-white dancers is, in sufficient density, somehow wrong, somehow diluting a once pristine competition. It is never identified what these densities should be or when the anti-woke would be satisifed with the participants.

    They dare not say what they really mean.

    Some contestants are just plain wrong for these people. The inclusion of dwarf Paralympic swimmer Ellie Simmonds has been particularly derided. So much for the British love of the underdog, so much for opportunity.

    The show is entertainment, but clearly it also has a focus in showcasing what people, who the public may be interested in, may be able to do. It’s not an athletic world championship. Along the way this has often generated great suprises, like Bill Bailey’s win or deaf actress Rose Ayling’s sublime performance. She too, as someone who could not hear the music, was initially derided as a contestant by the few. But no one could say Anne Widdecombe or John Sargeant were obvious dancers, but for some reason their participation wasn’t consider ‘woke box-ticking’.

    As for the charge about ‘too many’ gay contestants, er hello, this is ballroom dancing, where camp is hardly unknown. And who are these critics to say that people of the same gender should not dance together? Pure prejudice dressed up as ‘common sense’ or worse, ridiculously characterised as discrimination against the white heterosexual majority.

    Saturday night, Twitter will have many posts saying how it’s all gawn mad and they won’t watch it again. Good, **** off and keep on ******* off, preferably to another Country. The majority of Twitter folk talking about it will be loving it.
     
  2. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I don't watch it myself but I find it depressing that some people regard same sex couples and people with disabilities taking part reduces their "entertainment".

    I assume they would prefer people that they don't regard as "normal" to be hidden away out of sight.

    That's nothing to do with "wokism". Any decent person should find that attitude abhorrent.
     
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  3. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    It’s quite funny that some people actually think this way. I hope it causes them genuine pain and sadness.
     
  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  5. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I hope Ms Pearson at least mentioned that Kym Marsh is still well fit.

    Or does she hate women as well as the gays and dwarves?
     
  6. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Idiots. What could be more entertaining than a dancing dwarf?
     
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  7. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Our Lloydy, the real life inspiration for Homer Simpson.
     
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  8. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    Disney made themselves into a multimedia entertainment conglomerate on this very basis.
     
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  9. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    Bloody woke BBC virtue signalling, by having a Paralympic gold medalist who can also dance. It really degrades the show.

    Where are the fat politicians in leotards who can't dance for us to laugh at, like in the good old days?
     
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  10. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I have been having a nosey around the Politics sub section for the first time today in weeks. My “ad algorithm” seems to have had a field day as a result. The advertising banners at the top of the forum are now inviting me to either “Meet girls from Ukraine”, do the “Am I Gay Test” or “Release Cash from Your Home” :D:eek:.

    As for Strictly, I don’t get to watch it any more as my 16 yr old insists on watching “The Voice” instead if we’re all in on a Saturday night. I used to enjoy Strictly but the only aspect of it that put me off was the cardboard cutout Tess Daley who absolutely steals a living as a presenter.
     
  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Shouldn't you do the 'Am I Gay Test' before seeing if there are any girls from Ukraine worth meeting? Especially if you have to sell your house to attract them.
     
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  12. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    #YOLO
     
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  13. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    The only gay test I need is ‘Are you really excited for Strictly tonight?’

    I’m pleased to say that I’ve passed with flying colours.
     
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  14. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Tess > or < Holly? Discuss.

    Anyway, The Masked Dancer is where it’s at, C’mon, Onomatopoeia!
     
  15. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    Neither.
     
  16. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Some great stuff tonight. Take that haters!
     
  17. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    Imagine hearing Ellie Simmonds say ‘dancing is for everyone’ and watching her waltz and still slagging the BBC for being woke.

    Giving a disabled person a chance to express themselves so beautifully on primetime Saturday night TV. It’s an emotional thing.
     
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  18. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    Look, they always had the circus to fall back on. Why can’t that be enough for them? Why do they have to be forced upon us normal folk?

    Woke? More like sleepwalking into fascism!
     
  19. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Oh dear. Another left wing gammon thread.

    l've go nothing against it at all. Frankly, you lot should be embarrassed for talking about Ellie, who I like very much (and I am pleased she is dancing), as being disabled. I think it is quite amazing that you are not recognising your own 20th century prejudices and identarian ideologies that are being manifested in your arguments.

    Yet again you all do your stupid virtue signalling, but when it comes down to it, you are just a bunch gammons saying "Let the disabled person join in".

    Yes, she has been characterised with regard to competing in Olympic sport, but how on earth is Ellie Simmons disabled? And why would you want to describe her as disabled when it comes to dancing? You are being just as prejudiced as anyone else, only you are saying "let the dwarf dance".

    Just let Ellie dance and stop waffling on about her being "a disabled person", and making it a reason for you to white knight her.

    You lot are sleep walking into gammonism, and I love just how un-self aware you are.

    :D

    Again. If you don't like people repeating what you say to you. Don't say it in the first place.

    PS Please, one of you, make the argument that Hooter is being stupid, because she is officially disabled so you can call her what you want without being bigoted. Bring that one on gammons!
     
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  20. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    There's no-one more deserving of ridicule and contempt than someone who thinks they are more intelligent than everyone else trying to demonstrate it and coming across like a condescending clown in a desperate attempt to get attention. I give you Henry Hooter, the most self-unaware (not 'un-self aware') person this forum has the misfortune to endure.
     
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  21. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    More lashings of word salad from Henry, this time with dollops of dressing! It's so disjointed it almost qualifies as performance art at this point.
     
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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The point of the thread was that Ellie Simmonds’ inclusion has been ridiculed across the right wing media and by Brexiteers and nationalists on social media. Henry says it should go without comment.

    The implication of Henry’s post is that he believes all of those political allies of his are ‘gammons’ who need to mention her disability. Bizarre.
     
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  23. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Let's see if any if you refer to her as disabled from now on. That will be the judgement on what I said and the proof of whether you gammons became self aware or not...
    :D

    And the inference of your post is that all your left wing allies are gammons. The only thing is, I don't have to make stuff up about you like you do me, and the only evidence I needed was the posts on this thread. And you all know it.
     
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  24. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I'm sorry. That must have hurt quite a bit. But if you want to continue in the vein this was going, go right ahead.
     
  25. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    MIB.

    Go on.

    Say she's disabled. Go on.

    If people don't fancy it any more, perhaps they will concede that I have a point.
     
  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    You do realise that she refers to herself as ‘disabled?’

    I mean, in your defence, there are not many clues you could have picked up on, such as her choosing to participate in the paralympics or being a public speaker on disability inclusion.

    Maybe the problem you have is that you think disability means ‘less’ and that’s why you are uncomfortable with it.
     
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  27. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    Just putting this here for you. In case you don't read it because you're too scared to accept the truth, Ellie Simmonds discusses her disability. Yes, she actually uses that word to describe herself. What we learned speaking to Ellie Simmonds on Disability Inclusion - Frazer Jones

    Your apology is eagerly awaited.
     
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  28. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    FTR. People can say whatever they like about the show on Twitter and on social media because it allows them to show themselves for what they are.

    As far as I am concerned, the conversation on here was on a par with the things it was criticising. Just two opposing and unpleasant gammon views...

    Social media: saying she's disabled, she shouldn't be dancing.

    Forum Lefties: saying she's disabled, let her dance.

    I find it unpleasantly amusing that the only difference in the attitudes towards her are whether she dances or not.

    And the allergic reaction to me doing so, is par for the course.
     
  29. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    FTR. People can say whatever they like about the show on Twitter and on social media because it allows them to show themselves for what they are.

    As far as I am concerned, the conversation on here was on a par with the things it was criticising. Just two opposing and unpleasant gammon views...

    Social media: saying she's disabled, she shouldn't be dancing.

    Forum Lefties: saying she's disabled, let her dance.

    I find it unpleasantly amusing that the only difference in the attitudes towards her are whether she dances or not.

    And the allergic reaction to me doing so, is par for the course.
     
  30. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It barely seems possible that you could make yourself look dafter than usual, but well done, somehow you have pulled it off.
     
  31. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Err. How many times does she refer to herself as disabled in that article MIB? None I believe is the answer.

    If you think it is a serious disability when "some people are surprised that I can reach the light switch," then it is fair for me to say that you have strengthened the point I am making and not weakening it.

    Let Ellie tell you, quoting from the article “I was born a dwarf; I know what works for me and what doesn’t. I’m independent and I’ve made adjustments.”

    She is talking about other people, and how they should deal with a disability, in that article. Not herself. Tell me I am wrong. Or appologise.

    But you know best mate. You tell her how disabled she is. Put her straight.
     
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Henry putting @iamofwfc in a spin here. He doesn’t like the Wokey-Cokey, but the Hooterninny is talking gibberish. What will he do?

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  33. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    It's worth it to reveal people's inner gammon.

    And only MIB has doubled down on her being disabled so far.

    I wouldn't have had any problem with this thread if it hadn't gone after Ellie with the disabled label to make a political point. That is pure gammon.
     
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  34. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Make your mind up Moosey. Mooseywoosey. Mooseyoosetwooseywobbler (oh no, name calling doesn't seem to be having the devastating affect I hoped it would have, I better grow up, or come up with an argument!).

    It's not that long ago you were saying iam was me on another account!
     
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  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There’s a strong argument that Ellie’s disabilities are almost entirely created by a World that isn’t designed with her in mind, physically or socially. If things are designed for her, she can drive a car, turn on a light switch etc as well as anyone else and of course she can make decisions about her life as well as anyone else.

    But she is also someone who had operations on her legs to attempt to straighten them when she was young and competes and speaks as a disabled person. In the context of people saying she shouldn’t be included on Strictly on the basis of her disability there is no reason why disability can’t be mentioned when defending her right to be there and applauding the decision to showcase her and her life.
     
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