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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

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  2. Lizz Truss

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    I wouldn't employ a bad bricklayer. And, if I did, that would be my choice. I didn't vote for this government, yet they have a huge influence on my life.
     
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    If they had both been on one plane and it had crashed then that would have been great news in one way but bad news in another way as we would have had no leader. I hope you can now see why they took a plane each.
     
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    Notice how they arent even trying to be subtle about trying to cause division now, very strange, the louder they get the more worried they must be.
     
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    There is also the fact that around a third of students who attend private schools are on bursaries.

    Also, in metropolitan areas, plenty of the kids also have immigrant parents, who own corner shops and post offices and have scrimped and saved, with 3 generations under the same roof.

    The left wing media make it sound like everyone at private schools are posh idiots prancing around wearing tails and signet rings.

    I’d be interested to know how many of the cabinet received bursaries or a scholarship. I know Kwarteng did.
     
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    I’m sorry, but that’s hugely misleading. According to this only 1% get a full fee reduction, with a similar amount getting a substantial amount.

    The reductions others get are much smaller, discounts on a private service, that any kind of private service that needs to find customers would offer. These benefit the less opulent middle classes who may struggle to pay the whole whack. Some of the less well known public schools need that custom.

    The idea that they are engines of social mobility is utterly fanciful.

    ‘The left wing media’. Jesus mike, give your head a wobble.

    https://www.tes.com/magazine/analysis/general/private-school-scholarships-do-little-inclusion
     
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    From colleagues who have sent their kids to Independent schools (Habs, Hags and City of London) I know how the 'bursary' scheme works. You apply to the school and are accepted and a 'proof' of funds is required. Then your entrance exam results are studied to see whether you've earned a bursary. The annual "...the lazy ******* couldn't be bothered to do any work..." when the school fees are announced didn't elicit much sympathy - especially as the description could have been accurately applied to the tenured 'moanee', "...I specialise in teaching..." (and he was pretty shyte at that judging by his tutees I worked with).
     
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    Not as bad as the Scorpions.
     
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    Borrowing more and cutting taxes at the same time and keeping their fingers crossed that enough growth is stimulated to pay for the extra debt burden, strikes me as a high risk plan that will leave god-knows how many generations to come in the sh1t if it doesn't work.
     
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    Truss still on course to fulfil her young dream and abolish the monarchy then.



    And before you start, I deliberately kept this off the other thread.
     
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    If there’s is anyone who has the gravitas and charisma to sum up the public mood, it’s… Truss?

    If she’s not entirely useless she’ll probably receive at least a 5 point bump in the polls.
     
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    The day after Truss announces that the public will foot the bill for help to ease the energy crisis, meaning that the energy companies get to keep their huge windfall profits, it is announced that the single biggest donor to her campaign was the wife of a former BP executive.

    Truss also worked for Shell for four years at the start of her career.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...rom-wife-of-ex-bp-exec?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
     
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    Boris will be absolutely fuming. This was his defining moment that he will have felt he was born for, and he missed it by two days because he couldn’t stop being a moron.
     
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    I can't help thinking that somewhere in Tory HQ, Lynton Crosby or one of his ilk is feverishly working on plans to game this very sad situation to the maximum advantage of the Conservative Party.
     
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    The bursary/scholarship thing is also dependent on the ability of the parents to apply and work the system. My nephew, by dint of very well off and well educated grandparents and a mother with 'inside knowledge' managed to get full bursaries to both Durham Choristers School and then Gordonstoun. Hard-up and working class he most definitely is not. The knowledge and procedures needed to be aware of, and then take advantage of, these handouts, is beyond most of the families who should really benefit.
     
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    How do we see HMQ’s death playing out for Truss? On the one hand, if she cocks up anything or misspeaks in the next 10 days it will be on the biggest stage could be the end of her ministry before she even gets going. But the potential upsides are massive - no one outside the usual suspects knew who she was a week ago, now millions of people who don’t pay the minutest attention to politics will recognise her to some degree. Plus a lot of what she’s being asked to do is according to a well-rehearsed civil service playbook. Follow the script and you can’t go far wrong. I think she’ll get some sympathy too, new PM trust into this and all that, though it’s quite cynical to have attached herself to Charles’ tour of the UK this coming week. She has no formal role to play in that so it just looks like naked politicking.
     
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    I think it is, overall, good news for her...at least in the short term.

    As well as what you have said, she also didn't have to face any great interrogation of her cost of living response. I think there was some growing anger about how the energy companies are going to have their massive profits protected while the public have to foot the bill, all be it delayed by a loan. That anger has dissipated....at least for now.

    I also think it means the opposition have to be a lot less aggressive in their attacks for the next couple of weeks which will give a chance for Truss to settle in.

    Ultimately I think she is not going to be up to the job though and when the economy goes further south her, and the government's, popularity will head south too.
     
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    No. Not Liz Truss!
     
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    I was thinking about this the other day.

    For a confident speaker, who could articulate the mood of the nation, I think it would be an almost guaranteed 5-10 point boost in the polls.

    But Truss is not that person - she already messed up the speech announcing the death of the Queen. My complete guess is that her lack of warmth and emotion, amongst the huge issues she is facing, will make it easy for Labour to make her seem heartless and inept.

    But if something positive happens in Russia and/or energy prices fall, which is certainly possible, then she can keep her consistent narrative that she gets stuff done, despite the exceptional challenges (Although worth noting that even she doesn’t specify whether the stuff she gets done is any good, because spoiler: generally it isn’t)
     
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    Truss has a major disadvantage in her voice. Ed Milliband was the same. I know she's been working on it, but every time I hear her speak,
     
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    I always hear Truss as this:


    Anyway she has 9 days left to hide.
     
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    MP Andrew Bridgen evicted from £1.5m country home and ordered to pay £800,000 by judge

    Odd that a man:

    is OK to sit in parliament but if he can't/won't pay his bills he's out...
     
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    It might seem odd but really it's just a classic example of the separation of powers in play. The courts can say what they like about an MP but ultimately can't unseat them. Obviously though the gormless folk of North West Leicestershire can take that into account next time they vote.
     
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    ***foixed**
     
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    A "Brexit Spartan" :D
     
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    I think he's a parody account....he calls himself Michael (Micky) Take which is the giveaway.

    Wouldn't be surprised if some people genuinely have that view though!
     
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    Interesting how many of their views are in plain sight, revealed when barely any of their own colleagues are paying attention let alone the wider public, but they are revealed nonetheless. Back when Rees Mogg was just a weirdo backbencher with cranky views and oddball ideas this could just be dismissed as an irrelevance. He's now the weirdo secretary of state for business, energy and industrial strategy. I suspect most of the Tories' supporters would balk at the idea of having their paid holiday entitlement ended. Of course workers' rights have been worn away so much that workers on zero hours contracts would say "well, he's got a point, I don't get any guaranteed paid work let alone guaranteed paid holiday". And that's how it works, over time, to change things for the worse. The politics of envy really is one of the most pernicious emotions in the discourse. It erodes from every direction, punching down and snatching away.

    https://twitter.com/BhoyBass/status/1569315435329241090?s=20&t=vwxnghu1D1_qdAzBsVH2PA

    It's a bit like the crime and sentencing act which is having a visible effect on the right to protest now. As a society we don't realise the rights we're losing until suddenly we need them. Those who raise the alarm are dismissed as alarmist and before you know it, the police are having a word with people for holding up blank sheets of paper in London lest they write 'Not My King' on it.
     
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