I,i,i,i,fwah, Fwah, Fwah It’s The Tories

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Well I'd argue it's those who've been pushing for a police investigation who appear most happy for this to 'evaporate in sophistry'. That option was always going to kill the publication of the civil service investigation report and delay the eventual outcome for months. Tory MPs appeared to be on the cusp of holding Boris to account and then... poof, the whole thing now disappears behind the veil of a criminal investigation that the noisy Boris opponents have been crying out for for weeks. It's a big shame really. I thought for a moment this might actually be the end of him but can only see it as defeat snatched from the jaws of victory now.

    Bit surprised it's the people who were fined who you feel sorry for, rather than those who followed the rules.

    As @Ghost of Barry Endean suggests, this only stays alive if more revelations come out. If not undoubtedly Boris will throw some cash for schools and hospitals at some of the wobbly MPs and letters will duly be withdrawn from Brady's in-tray.
     
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  2. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    No one thinks that there will be any criminal fall out. This is clearly a political issue.

    Even if the offences were so black and white that criminal charges were brought, I don't see how this could ever be a jury trial, so I have no idea how Sue Gray's report would impact proceedings.

    It's an absolute stitch up aimed at buying more time and distracting the public, who they continue to treat with contempt. In times gone by there would be rioting (clearly not the right solution either), but I wonder if the gradual increase in corruption over the last couple of years has numbed people.
     
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  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    A Russian cellist perhaps? I’ll leave you to investigate.
     
  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I wrote that it was unfair, rather than I felt sorry for those who got fined. It would be hard not to in some cases though, given the excessive nature of some of the fines. And sure, those who abided by the rules to their personal distress have most cause to be angry.

    It’s true that the Police investigation does mean that certain cans could be kicked down the road, but that’s not a fault of those asking for the Police to take action. That’s a simple demand on the Police to behave without fear or favour. And if the Police can disentangle certain matters then not much needs delaying. The question of whether Johnson lied about there being parties can still be answered in short order.

    Ms Gray, were there parties?
    Yes, lots.
    Was the PM involved in any either by being present, taking part, allowing or encouraging them, in short, did he know about them?
    Obviously and without question
    Then did he mislead Parliament when he said all guidance was always followed?
    Yes.
     
  5. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    There needed to be some payback for Cressida **** still keeping her job, I suppose.
     
  6. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    'Corrupt, corrupt, from the bottom to the top
    And you tell me it's the law!'
     
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  7. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    It surely wasn't beyond the Met's detective skills to decide there was a case(s) to investigate well before the inquiry was commissioned?
    I wonder how long is the road down which this can will be perpetually kicked?
     
  8. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    There’s a law for the rich and a law for the poor and a law for Dirty Boris.
     
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  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I'm sure the Met would say they've already addressed this. It's a political hot potato and rightly so, but crime-wise it's up (or rather down) there with littering or not paying your TV licence.
     
  10. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Fair comment, which may make it even more 'conveniently timely' that they've pressed the button now.
     
  11. Brilliant from Joe Lycett:
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  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I personally don't understand why they've decided now is the time to wade in. Though despite the insinuations of corruption or desire to help Boris out of a hole by blocking Sue Gray, my bet is something far more benign has happened in the background. Could be as simple as they've received independent legal advice which suggests their decision not to investigate - which I believe the Good Law Project was all over and threatening to sue them for - was legally vulnerable to challenge.
     
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  13. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I think this is probably correct. They didn’t all go MUHAHAHAHAHA in Cressida’s office and then decide to wade in.

    The problem is that they are exerting influence over a report when they do not appear to need to. It’s not a disciplinary body looking into a crime against a person, when quite rightly, the disciplinary body must wait for the law to conclude. It concerns offences that, while meaningful and in the public interest to look at, are of little other consequence.

    I don’t believe the law is ‘nothing else move ever’ until we have finished. There must be proportion, but you will probably understand the extent of that reach better.
     
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  14. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Well, looks like I got my answer on this. The full report he’s promised to publish will be the heavily redacted one. He knew then. As did all the others. Absolute blinder played by Johnson. Absolute blinder. Best part?

    No-one cares.
     
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  15. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    He should be knighted.

    By Starmer, obvs.
     
  16. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Not only do they not care but the Johnson fanboys and fangirls will be cheering the fact that "he got away with it" again.

    The sad thing is that he sees those fanboys and girls as "useful idiots" and he has nothing but contempt for them.
     
  17. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I’ve always liked him and I’m even more determined now to one day buy Joe Lycett a beer.
     
  18. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Just coz u r a Sewing Bee fanboy.
     
  19. Filbert

    Filbert Leicester supporting bloke

    I absolutely am and I prepared to get into a culture war with Bake Off fans.
     
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  20. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    With you 100%. Sewing Bee wees on Cake Off.
     
  21. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    I once went to see a recording of some BBC TV show Lulu was in and sat in the very front row.

    While she was waiting to do her singing (or miming), she was stood about a foot away from me with her back to me. It was very obvious that her pony tail was a falsie - held in with hairclips.

    At the end of the show, during the big final number, they made us in the front row 'invade' the stage area and break out into impromptu enthusiastic dancing, presumably while the final program titles ran.

    Although I must admit that I did submit to the entreaties to stage invade, I did not dance, but merely wandered around dozily, gawking at the instruments and lights and cameras etc. I think I appeared for 0.00005 of a millisecond in the final shown episode.
     
  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Decade? With Lulu there’s a few to choose from.
     
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  23. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    That Birthday Cake Party by Cold War Steve.

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  24. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  25. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  26. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Mid 80s I think. Can't remember precisely, I'm afraid I was very, very drunk.
     
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  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Sounds like a perfect Rowley Birkin QC monologue.

    Awerfwerberwers…Turned out to be Lulu!..awerberfwerfwer…Really quite, quite tiny…werberfwerbere…Huge voice like a Lion Roarrrr!…awerfwerfwer..but of course I was very, very drunk at the time…

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  28. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Jacob Rees-Mogg on "Political thinking"... His 'apology' for attempting to change the rules for Owen Patterson is breathtaking in its mendacity as are the numerous attempt to talk about "...cake..."
     
  29. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Very interesting interview with a former colleague and biographer of Johnson.

     
  30. reg_varney

    reg_varney Squad Player

    Ian Hislop in savage form giving evidence in front of the parliamentary select committee on standards.

     
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  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Oh great this is the 'fuller' clip.

    I urge everyone to sit through because Hislop makes a very good suggestion in it that I'm going to follow. Come hustings for your local MP he suggests that you attend and ask all the candidates:
    1. What 2nd job they will try to get after they're elected to office?
    2. What sectors they will target for this 2nd job?
    3. What unique skills they bring to this future employment?
    No need to ask about salary or how this 2nd job would impact on their parliamentary duties.
     
  32. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    ‘Nowhere to hide for Russian Oligarchs’ says Conservative Party, whose leader plays tennis with them for cash.
     
  33. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    When did a Conservative Party leader last play tennis with a Russian oligarch for cash? Fact check: It never happened.

    And when did Boris Johnson play tennis with a Russian oligarch for cash? Fact check: It never happened.

    Yep, in 2014, a Russian oligarch bid in a fund raising auction for Boris to play tennis with his wife, much like a cake auction to raise money for a kids foreign travel project. But Johnson did not receive cash, and he wasn't even party leader.
     
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  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    So the report or some parts of the report or a summary of the report, those bits that don’t interfere with the oh so sensitive job of handing out fixed-penalty notices, has arrived at Downing Street.

    Publication, says Politics Live, at 13:00 hours.
     

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