History & Archaeology Thread

Discussion in 'Taylor's Tittle-Tattle - General Banter' started by StuBoy, Sep 22, 2020.

  1. hornmeister

    hornmeister Club Legend

    Not true I lent them to Greece.
     
  2. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Finders keepers, losers weepers. The Elgin Marbles are ours. Got that Greece?
     
  3. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    Wonder if they can keep some of the tanked up Brits that descend on the Greek islands every summer in return.
     
  4. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    That really wouldn't be fair on them
     
  5. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Having visited the Acropolis museum in Athens a few years back, it was quite obvious that if the Elgin Mables had been left in place that pollution would have eroded them to flat stones by now. Give them back and get them inside that fantastic museum.
     
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  6. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

  7. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

  8. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    'kin ARRSE, throwing up history I've never heard of:

    Never Greater Slaughter: Brunanburh and the Birth of England, Michael Livingston

     
  9. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Taking into account the centres of power of the main protagonists allied against Aethalstan, I think the weight of likelihood tends towards the site on the Wirral. It was only about 35 years earlier that Aetheflaed Lady of Mercia had granted the north-western part of the Wirral to the Viking Ingismund after his expulsion from Dublin and had then reinforced Chester as a major burh with defensive duties against Ingismund's force and also the Welsh of North Wales. There was probably a strong remaining 'pro-Dublin-Viking' element on the Wirral, whilst it would be a logical meet-up point with the forces of the King of Strathclyde, whose territory at this time extended quite a way south of the Lake District. And there's really little obvious logic for Aethelstan to be campaigning in force beyond the Mersey.

    The talk in the excerpt you quoted about the 'Anglo-Saxon State' being dismembered by this alliance is somewhat over the top. No doubt had Aethelstan been defeated, Edgar's reign would not have been quite as it was, but there's no evidence the alliance would have long survived any such victory, nor that the constituent parts of the alliance had sufficient resources to effect serious long term damage to the embryonic 'AS State'. The alliance was more a defensive response to the increasingly aggressive expansionist approach of Aethelstan. At that time, the major expression of 'political overlordship' was couched in receiving payment (in kind & bullion) from the lesser entities who had felt constrained to accept that superior position. Basically, a form of 'protection payments' guaranteed by oaths & hostages, but an arrangement that died along with the death of the overlord, or at least the destruction of their military power. The alliance was probably aimed at removing the need to make (expensive) payments to Aethelstan,whilst giving Olaf the chance to recover control over York, which had been lost to Aethelstan in 927. Even had he recovered York, the history of the Dublin-York Viking axis does not suggest it would have long resisted the pressure of the increasingly wealthy and well-structured 'Wessex-Mercia' union that had developed.

    There is an Old English poem 'The Battle of Brunanburh', from which the 'never greater slaughter' comes.
     
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