Give Gino A Break?

Def on a wind up

 

It’s like you’re stuck repeating this “yes, but player trading” line.

How do you square the “excellent” player trading model with the fact that the club is in ten times the debt it was when Pozzo took over?

Not sure where you’re finding the Leicester City figures, perhaps you could provide a source, because a quick Google tells me their debt is around £217m and that in February the owner effectively wrote off £194m in one go by converting it to equity.

 

Hey guys, I’m great at gambling! I won £10k on a horse race the other day!

I lost £100k betting on all the races I lost, but that’s irrelevant.

 

Scrolling through the WatfordFC hashtag on Twitter I saw this and hope James doesn’t mind me sharing this:

https://twitter.com/buzzardhornet/status/1665801216985645057?s=46&t=zRrtDr0qb0mUErcVCu0trQ

Another symptom of the club we’ve become.

 

Gino is obviously so upset about how the players have let him down that he's overlooked this. In fact he's probably seen them as the queue jumpers they are and put a stop to their underhand ways.

Give him a break James.

 

I’ve asked you more than once to explain the difference between ‘player trading’ and ‘recruiting players for the benefit of the squad’. It seems to many that the former is prioritised over the latter to the detriment of the good of the club as a whole. Available funds are used on players that are not required at the time (if at all) whilst urgently needed squad reinforcements (eg CB for many successive windows) are ignored. The fact that we are now millions in debt owed to parties from whom Pozzo has successfully created adequate barriers to protect his personal interests and liability suggests that such activities are not designed with the interests of WFC in mind.

 

High Leicester figures came from Swiss Ramble article published yesterday. Te article was called impact on relegation

 

Agree totally, not the club we should be

 

Player trading is part of the Pozzo model. Sometimes we see the players and they do well for us and then get a good move for the club. Pedro, Richarlison, Dennis etc and others they go out on loan and hopefully do well and we sell them on. Without that model debt would be well over £200 million.

Of course I want to see the strongest team on the field, we all do surely but the model also allows us to get players like the above on the promise that we will not hold them back. Udinese have been doing it for years

 

I assume that Duxbury intended to give Edwards time but if the guy is having blazing rows with senior management something has to give,

I would have sacked Gieratta but I thought Manga now has the responsibility of buying our players doesnt Gieratta make the tea.

 

I am not a luton fan but there were many teams in our division last year whith much less skill but a lot more commitment.

We all like skillful players but I would take someone with the right attitude and commitment every day of the week.

 

A sickening club. Can’t wait till the pockets of protests become widespread next season so we can see how the brownshirt stewards react.

 

I agree and I had hoped Gieratta would be gone, hopefully Manga has the authority and the skillset to sort it we need players that care and have commitment. The fun needs to come back into being a watford fan.

 

Yes, it’s just a shame the players you end up with are totally random and the person who buys them has no control over their character etc. isn’t it?

 

Good Podcast this week the From The Rookery End team about questions for Gino, Lionel comes up with some very good discussion points

 

I have spent quite a few days looking at other clubs and quite frankly some of them make Gino look like a really good guy,

The player trading model is not understood but has kept us out of more serious trouble.

 

You don’t seem to understand ‘cause and effect’ that well. The reason why we have been relegated from the EPL twice and so lost the large amount of income that guarantees, thereby resulting in the massive debt we now have, is BECAUSE of the player trading model. Had due priority been given to the immediate needs of the squad after the cup final season we’d still be in the Prem and the debt would’ve been nowhere near its current level.

It’s totally disingenuous to say the debt would have been higher without the impact of player trading being 1st, 2nd and 3rd on Pozzo’s list of priorities; the fact that player recruitment to meet immediate squad needs is so far down the list is the very reason for most of the debt.
The player trading is clearly aimed purely at benefiting Pozzo and not WFC. I agree there was a time when the player trading tended to benefit the squad as well, but those days are long gone. One impact of the current model would seem a lack of funds to buy Toney for £5 million only a year after wasting 6 or 7 times that on a luxury winger we didn’t need and the HC who’d just been given an extended contract didn’t want.
But still, carry on believing Pozzo is doing it all ‘for the good of WFC’.

 

So for example you dont believe that Pedro for example helped the squad

 

Not immediately no

 

Player trading exists at most clubs. It's the way most clubs survive. What other clubs do better though is also buy for the here and now and that's where we fail too often. Last summers transfer action was off the scale bad and we again wasted £6m on a keeper not ready to play straight away. It just seems to that we are interested in greasing the palms of one agent at the detriment to the club.
Buying for the future should clearly not be ignored but we need to have a happy medium which looks at the future but also the current

 

I'm admiring the ground work to set up a sleeper account on here in 2010 and then activate it 13 years later just to comment on this thread, keeping people on strings and pushing it into 11 pages and counting.

Bravo!

 

ThE oRiGiNaL fAmIlY cLuB

 

And to think some of the saps on here got sucked into defending a troll, absolutely hilarious. Still a few so desperate to stick up for Gino they’ll do anything.

 

Pedro, yes, is an example of a player who met both criteria. One swallow does not make a summer, and the rarity of that success when set alongside the wasting of money on such as Pusetto, Bayo, Okoye, people like Kalu who have barely kicked a ball….the refusal to attempt to acquire a real upgrade at CB when we were still in the EPL; that’s a clear indication of where the problem lies. Sarr cost what appears to have been most of our transfer budget that summer and he’ll be sold for less than we paid for him and all we’ll have to show for it is a great performance vs Liverpool, the minimum level of return expected of a £30+ million player in the Championship, followed by 2 seasons of apparent lack of interest and corresponding lack of impact. The player was not needed at the time but was purchased as part of the ‘player trading model’ and is axiomatic of the flawed nature of that model.

I’d say a hit rate of JP and Dennis in a 4 year period containing numerous punts is pretty damning.

 

And still people biting, so furiously. Highly amusing to sit back and watch.

 

Why doesn't your niece have it

 

We just buy whatever shiny toy we can (as well as some not so shiny ones who happen to be represented by Bayat), regardless of age, and regardless of style of play or anything, Gaspar could have been a great signing under different circumstances, but we signed him when we needed a flying machine for example...

 

Be careful what you wish for...
https://twitter.com/BuzzardHornet/status/1665801216985645057?t=JX3hWfbELpHcdpaFDUsddA&s=19

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Has anyone seen this? Shocking stuff

https://twitter.com/BuzzardHornet/status/1665801216985645057?t=JX3hWfbELpHcdpaFDUsddA&s=19

 

I've got a funny feeling James will be offered a season ticket by the club in the coming days, only because of the 30k+ views and the fans meeting.