Give Gino A Break?

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Hi well a couple of facts.

WE came

I think we can agree that in everyome's opinion the players were lacking in commitment and the running through a brick wall attitude. We don't know that for a fact but it's an opinion.

I have always believed that if we have players with the right attitude collectively they can achieve more than cant be bothered skillfull players - Still an opinion.

The stated debt in the accounts is a fact. 50 something of the debt is owed to gino and he says he isnt looking to be paid back. I can understand why it is on the books for accounting purposes. I can read accounts as well as most.

Yes a fact that we finished 11th

Sorry nearly everything else is an opinion.

Part of our problem is tht we don't know all the facts. If they communicated better from the top we could at least understand their problems, plans and solutions

What other facts have I not answered.

 

Give Bigbadbear a break!

 

Thats almost positive

 

I guess it's on the books because Gino could get it back if he sold the club. There may be also tax advantages to doing it that way.

 

My source recons our Asprilla asking price has risen to 30 million due to the interestsd clubs and u20s world cup performances.

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Even if we got £17 million for Sarr it could come off the debt if not re-invested as cost has already been accounted for.

 

I underatand he is a good person to have around but surely on his wages and injuries he has to go

 

Hope so.

 

Am i right in saying Leeds, Chelsea and tottenham all had 3 managers in 22/23 any more apart from us

 

The most obvious difference here is that Watford like to have 2 or 3 managers every single season. I’d suspect the owners of the 3 clubs mentioned won’t be stupid enough to continue playing the sacking game like we do.

The sacking game is the only thing we’re good at so please don’t take that away from us.

 

If we had a manager that was getting a proper tune out of our pampered can't be bothered players there would be no need to change.

An owner puts their money in and has every right to do everything in their power to try and make things better.

They don't kick the footballs or pick the team or even train the team or pick the tactics, all they can do is react when they see things going wrong and if a change of manager is necessary well so be it. At least when Gino makes a manager change they have someone lined up.

I am all for criticism and opinions, I personally hated the performances in many our games and the incessent passing around at the back when we needed to get on the front foot and drive at teams. That is a manager/coach/ player thing and not Ginos fault.

Give Gino a break, hold him to account for things he actually does but the vitriol is way over the top

So many opinions, deeply held and sometimes justifiable but however many times its repeated still not a fact.

 

It is a fact that Gino selects and fires the Managers.
It is a fact that the managers have to get the players to perform.
So if Gino is bad at picking managers the player performance is his fault.
He does not need a break - he needs to learn how to select managers - especially ones that last more than a season.

 

I assume that Gino is involved but other people such as Gieratta and Duxbury are also involved.

Isnt Manga now responsible for all football matters as Gieratta was before him.

Would you rather a under performing manager is just kept on. Where does that stop after 5 games, 10, 20 relegation

 

It is also not easy getting players out of the door if they dont want to go.

 

Can you advise on how we can get you 'out of the door'?

 

Because I have an opinion different to you?

 

I guess we’d rather we didn’t appoint a manager who was going to underperform. Or accept that he isn’t underperforming and that the players he has been provided with are inadequate.

 

Correct. The overriding problem is the player recruitment and it is up for debate who is responsible for that but many suspect that Pozzo is involved way too much. In the past, certainly in GT's time, the player's character, suitability for the division we were in and how he would fit into the team were all crucial. Now it feels like the sell-on factor is often the main consideration. The turnover of managers is utterly irrelevant to this, but it creates an instability and lack of continuity which adds to the chaos. Many of the managers we have had in the last few years would have been fine if the player recruitment was good and they were allowed to develop a consistent way of playing.

 

Bit negative.

 

Yes. Plus, of course, your incessant repetition of your opinion. You made your point about 12 pages ago

 

Edwards didn’t look capable of earning an auto promotion and there was a risk we may not even finish top 6. We couldn’t risk that. He simply had to go.

That, added to the summer fitness debacle.

 

If you go back to Xisco, he was probably the last mamager to have a motivated side. His tactics were thought to be a little niave but his results were better or as good as anybody else. Perhaps what he needed was some added help tactically from an experienced manager working with him a couple of days a week.