Anyone who lists ‘FA Cup Final’ as an achievement rather than going through numerous ‘Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind’ style treatments to forget it even happened needs help.
It absolutely will change it if we win. Its just how crowds think There is unlikely to be any mass action if the team wins on wednesday. There may be a few people with home made cards at best. Lose and play badly and people might start booing and maybe 1-2 Gino out type chants from the crowd. If we win the next 3 or so protesting will be completely forgotten about. If we lose the next 3 then people will chant and there may be some low level protests outside and inside the ground
Sure. But why would a couple of wins change how I (and non results based fans) think about the disgraceful way he runs the club? I’ve been on his case for 5 years, so beating Stoke changes nothing!
These people are sick. Why on earth would anyone think that it socially acceptable to do all this disgusting stuff with their wee wee and poo poo? We're supposed to be a family club.
Some think the Pozzos can do no wrong going by the top rated comments here . https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/s...edwards-linked-middlesbrough/#comments-anchor
Spot on, I think the main problem Gino has to contend with is that he's got stuck in a spiral of bad decisions dating to back before the pandemic. Without the pandemic we may well have stayed up in 2020, that alone would have been the kick up the backside to re-stabilise but instead we got relegated cleared out players and came back to the Premier League a little too light. I also think that we would have not been worse off had Muñoz stayed for the whole of last season, a lot of our poor performances were due to the players not understanding or giving a crap about the manager; at least they liked XM despite his limitations.
It is, and it is baffling to me why he would make these dreadful choices when surely he has many contacts in Italy. But at least he sacks them quickly. The time to protest was when Edwards was first appointed, and I would have been well onboard with that (I voiced my opposition to his appointment on the day we got him, and had very little support on this forum). To do it now when the awful manager has gone and a seemingly better one installed is just insane.
I would just like to understand how much the strategy of hire and fire countless Head Coaches alongside the strategy of buying inadequate players that don't add anything to our squad but add to the wealth of a potentially corrupt agent has cost my club. If the total cost is being funded by Pozzo personally then, quite frankly, it's not my business. But if the cost sits on WFC's p&l and the number has a potential to bankrupt us in the future if a return to the EPL is not achieved then these are valid criticisms/protests in my view
Genuine question but has anyone ever added up the net loss from Mogi Watford transfers? I know there are dodgy one likes Bayo and Obbi Oulare but did we get Louza , Lukebakio (sp?) and Dennis via him? I'm not totally sure which players we got from him or not.
Our record with Mogi transfers I would estimate is slightly above par (profit/loss & value for money-wise) compared to our/another similar club's average transfer dealings. At worse it's probably about the same. Some duds, some gems, some...meh. I'd imagine most people's issue with it is his shady character and upcoming court case.
Interesting thanks. I guess it was the comment from Halfwayline re: "the strategy of buying inadequate players that don't add anything to our squad but add to the wealth of a potentially corrupt agent has cost my club" that made me wonder what the actual facts were.
well you still haven’t got any “actual facts” from Watford Talks response, just guesses, but what we do know is we paid £12m in agent fees in 2021 -the seventh highest amount in English football and by far the highest as a proportion of transfer fees. And the schedule of deals showed that Bayat was involved in the vast majority of deals.
But nor do you have any facts to support your initial assertion that "the strategy of buying inadequate players that don't add anything to our squad but add to the wealth of a potentially corrupt agent has cost my club." Some might contend that Louza adds to the squad and if Dennis and Lukabakio were Mogi transfers we might actually have a net profit rather than the financial loss that could be considered as a justification for protest as per your original post. I'm really not trying to pick an argument with you. It's just that I see many things presented on this forum as facts that sometimes make me want to understand a bit more detail.
across 2021 we paid 12m to Bayat…the 7th highest paid to an agent in the league and total disproportionate to our spend and league position. Yes we got Dennis, Sarr and Sissoko but some would argue that the latter two did little for us in our Premiership season. Add to that the stories of paying 5m for player the day after the same player was purchased for 1m. And money spent on Lukebakio and Oulare when we were desperate for defensive cover You could always do your own research
Part of your initial post said you "would just like to understand how much the strategy .......... of buying inadequate players that don't add anything to our squad but add to the wealth of a potentially corrupt agent has cost my club." You then concluded that regardless of what it had cost that if the unknown cost sat with WFC's p&l these are valid criticisms/protests. I indeed have done some of my own research and am attempting to help you to understand how much the strategy may have cost as per you original request. The good news is that the net position may not be as bad as feared even with OTT agent fees factored in. I think we blatantly overpaid for Bayo and imo this is inexplicable and warrants an explanation. It's easy with hindsight to criticize Sarr and Sissoko's contributions to last season but it was not a given that they would not work out and plenty of us were happy at the time of signing Sissoko and indeed i think we may have sold him for a profit in the end.
Exactly the point - thank you. And without reference to any actual facts Halfwayline concluded that the unsubstantiated cost was enough to help justify a protest on the proviso that some other hypothetical conditions were met. People say things on here to contribute to a totally negative narrative that does not necessarily have a basis in reality. I get why as people are understandably hyper-emotive about the club. But my point is that neither a totally negative narrative or a totally positive narrative are particularly helpful or true and that reality is more nuanced and balanced.
I’m not sure what not you cannot comprehend but let’s try and simplify it for you.. the vast majority of our transfers go through one agent. That means we don’t have access to a wide pool of player, just those that the agent handles. Our fees to this agent seem a disproportionate cost as compared to our standings. Wasting money on players that aren’t right for our squad are a reason why our latest financial reports show a 170m+ loss. A number that will become a huge issue if we don’t get promoted
I probably can't comprehend due to my limited intelligence which has always held me back in life. I think these are slightly different points to your initial post and i agree with some of them. If there will be a huge issue if we don't get promoted then promotion would seem pretty critical. I'm not convinced that a protest one game into a new manager regime will help the promotion push.
I don’t really want to get into a ridiculous argument on whether or not the points I used support my initial claims or not so you read into it as you want My biggest concern is over our financial viability if we don’t regain Premiership status. To me we have spent a disproportionate amount of money on needless outlays (certain players, above average agent fees, head coach terminations etc) and seem to just keep repeating this. I would like to understand what the 2-3 year business plan is if we remain a championship club. Will we still have a business a 4-0 win over Stoke doesn’t change my view on this
Totally reasonable and understandable concerns. Appreciate you have a different opinion, but I personally don't think the net financial impact of our transfer dealings including agent fees is that bad, compared to other clubs. Yeah we have had some duds but we have also made some big profits. Which potentially raises bigger questions about why we might be in such financial peril.
Well Scott Duxbury said we would be ok which given recent events leaves me worried! I guess we'll have to see after anyone half decent is flogged where we are if promotion doesn't happen. It's probably fair to say the future is uncertain?
Think the guy at the top of this comment section is kind of missing the point saying Middlesbrough must be a “laughing stock”? https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/s...contributed-edwards-downfall/#comments-anchor
In the past three seasons we’ve had two relegations, and what 8/9 managers in that time? Setting the financial pros and cons to one side, surely the proof is in the pudding as to how much value the agent we put an inordinate about of business through is getting the club? Selling Dennis for a decent profit is great, but where has it got us in footballing terms? When we first got promoted we were able to pick up some excellent cheap buys which helped us compete, and of course the odd gem. Now we mostly pick up some truly awful cheap ish buys and the odd gem because we insist on using one agent too much, and our league status and the fact we needed to borrow £16m from our sister club shows the real ‘value’ to the club.
Haha - who is this absolute clown? Do these idiots exist or is it a wind up? "To accuse a man who a presided over one of the best periods in the club's history where we have unearthed or given a platform to many players who now ply their trade for bigger teams, even in the Champions League; a man who has brought an unprecedented period of financial stability to the club; a man who has developed our club far beyond the realms of what we thought possible a decade ago; a man who has European renown for how his clubs have punched above their weight season after season; someone with a first class degree from one of the best Universities in the world, of incompetence, from behind the safety of a keyboard, is just unbelievably risible."
I’m really not sure what the protest would actually be about. Is it really about paying Mogi too much ? Is it about sacking managers too quickly ? Is it about not being great communicators ? Is it about the finances ? I can only see the last point being a real concern. Would be good to get true details and timings of this protest ironed out. It’s very hard to arrange the protest against the protest, until the latter is all sorted out.
It’s probably not so bad and even Bayo will probably turn out ok. But it doesn’t justify him absolutely rinsing us and like others have said, it’s a very narrow focus.
Out of interest how will I know if the miserable bustards that sit near us are protesting or just moaning as usual? Is a 'protest boo' slightly slightly higher pitched than, say, a sh1t pass boo? What should I look for?
