It’s also a bizarre way of thinking when people excuse that turnover by saying it was the correct decision to sack the nth head coach at the time. My thinking goes straight to why are we employing people that are obviously wrong for the role…and at what cost
I think the key and probably obvious difference between the sackings and appointments the club made in the first few years worked to an extent but clearly all the hiring and firing hasn’t in recent years - particularly last season. Maybe a bit unlucky with Pearson in charge as we were doing ok batting to stay up before COVID struck and we didn’t fancy re- starting but we got worse and worse last season . Ivic might have got us promoted like Munoz did but obviously wasn’t popular with players or fans particularly due to his demeanour and style of play .
I know, completely bizarre. When you trace all the decisions back most of them are laughable, but completely ignored by some because it was the right thing to correct the stupid decision in the first place, and now the media just don’t understand us. Apparently the media aren’t focusing on why we sacked Edwards, which is ironic considering these posters aren’t focusing on why we hired him.
Glad it amuses you. We know "the coach" in the Pozzo model is more expendible than "the manager" in most english sides. It seems some are still getting used to that. Yes I'd prefer us to get through fewer coaches, but at the same time I don't see too many posters saying that any of our recent coaches should have been given more time. I agree different playing styles doesn't help.
People like something to protest over. If we hadnt sacked the manager, they would be moaning why not - he's useless. Worse than my mother in law
Again, conveniently ignoring/missing the point. Geting rid of Joka, QSF, and Walt at the end of a season was a model that worked, now we’re just thrashing around in the dark. It has nothing to do with people not getting used to it. It clearly evidentially doesn’t work and the media aren’t misunderstanding anything.
Well quite. If he was still in charge I'd be leading the protests myself. But it just seems mental to start the protests AFTER pozzo has made the best decision in years!
Put simply, no one on here was calling for Edwards to be sacked. So your post is complete fabrication. And given there has been zero protests, people clearly don’t like something to protest over.
Really? After Edwards was sacked, you didn’t ‘see too many posters’ saying he should have been given more time? Thanks for confirming your selective reading habits in that case.
Why does there have to be consensus on one matter in order for there to be protest? Also seems to me that because you personally don’t understand why people are annoyed, you’re being dismissive of why they feel like they do. Maybe they are privy to more info than you? Maybe they’ve looked into it more than you? Maybe they feel it deeper than you do? By your own admittance, you’ve said you haven’t looked too deeply at some issues. This isn’t meant as a dig at you, I just find this singular post from you a bit baffling to understand. Seems you’re purposely trying to be antagonistic with much of it - calling people ‘radicals’ for example or thinking people are agitating just for ‘fun’. I can’t seriously believe anyone actually believes that. But hey, it sounds good right, so who cares?! I think this government are f*cking up an awful lot of things. But I and others can only just get behind one thing they are getting wrong before protesting it? You see the stupidity in saying that right?! The majority of issues you raise that people have problems with stack up/accumulate and make up the bigger, wider issue. Protests can be about one unifying overall cause made up of people with lots of separate issues/complaints. And if you seriously believe people would be protesting because people waved flags and clapped, then I’m inclined to suggest you are talking more nonsense than the mainstream media!
Yeah, youre right. That would take much more time and consistent success and a change in how things are run if thats what you are rightly annoyed about - although ofcourse you may well keep your view if youve had for so long.
Disagree. Quotes before Edwards left include "go", "were a nervous wreck of a side - get rid", "its a no from me", "awful manager", "he's not getting the most from the team". I could go on.......... There were several comments regarding either getting rid of him, or at the very least he is not up for the job There were very few if any positive comments
Well, yes. Louza and Kamara are going to be vital to our chances of going up this year. The main issue last year was 3 **** managers, and this year one **** manager! Gino has now stepped in. let's see if his appointment works well
If anything we should be praising him for reversing his own bad, ill-thought-out decision and only wasting a whole pre-season, transfer window and nearly a quarter of the season in the process.
If we went up and did a Norwich just signing a few younger prospects that we could use the following year that would reset the finances I think and I’d get back onside I think. Can’t help but think it will be Mogi time again though if we go up.
Negative comments don't equate to wanting someone sacked. You can pick out a few select comments (probably from some people replicating their displeasure over more than one post), but there are many hundreds more posts where people don't even mention wanting him sacked. Very, very, few comments were asking for him to be sacked in the grand scheme of things. There are plenty from people saying we should be doing better, picking a better formation, playing different players etc. But thats not the same as saying he should be sacked on a grand scale as you're suggesting. Lastly your point was 'people like something to protest over*' and then directly suggested those same people would be calling for him to be sacked if he hadn't been' - this is clearly a fabrication as the many people on this forum who were fuming at his sacking can easily attest to. *despite, once again, there being no protests, as I said previously.
The overall reaction of the sacking was that people were shocked, surprised and disappointed. Both here and on Twitter. I’m not sure how anyone can even attempt to contest this. To suggest otherwise is pure fabrication,
Louza and Kamara were bought while we were a PL club, you’d hope they’d be able to perform at a lower level, a league lower. Are you seriously crediting an agent for that??
You're right - I'm certainly missing your point. We're "thrashing around in the dark" are we ? So we shouldn't have appointed those managers or we shouldn't have fired them ? Or both ?
If he is an intermediary surely that means it doesn't limit who we can sign. If they all his clients then that's different. It looks to me as though that Bayat is involved from the Watford FC side and not the player side which means we could sign anybody and he would still quite often be involved. I don't like him being involved but it doesn't look as though it's have an adverse effect on signing players outside of the ones on his books
I didn't see many saying that. I did see many saying they were embarrassed that we had sacked another manager. The impression I got was that most thought it was the right decision but some were too embarrassed at the media reaction.
Is 3 or 4 managers a season a model that works in your opinion? is 3 or 4 managers a season actually a model in your opinion? Does it suggest Gino knows what he’s doing? What exactly are the media misunderstanding about our ‘model’?
See last post. Not many saying he would go on to be successful, but many saying they were embarrassed we'd sacked another manager.
I think it's more we hire the wrong person in the first place. Ranieiri and Hodgson got the job without interviews. Since Gracia went, the list of managers who should never have got the job in the first place, QSF, possibly Ivic because he was too defensive, Ranieir, Hodgson and Edwards. None of those in my opinion should have got the job. In fairness Munoz should be on that list but he is the only one to be a success
1/ 3 0r 4 managers a season is not a model. Sacking managers as soon as you lose faith in their ability to bring success is Pozzo's model and broadly speaking has been effective over the last . Obviously not if you believe we shoul be an established prem club. 2/ I don't think the media misunderstand anything ?? I didn't say they did ! I suppose you could say they don't get the distinction between a manager and a coach if pushed ??? Yes I think he knows what he's doing though it does seem there is an issue between him and Scott ?
I think you're being deliberately obtuse because it's the only way it fit's your point. It's pretty clear that from Page 49 of the 'Edwards Sacked' thread, that there are plenty of people who didn't support the move for a number of reasons.
I agree with this completely. But Bilic seems to me (and I think a big majority of other fans) to be a good fit (for me the best appointment since King Marco), so to start up the protests now is madness. Edwards was different as a young, inexperienced British manager with zero experience of managing ace players was just never ever going to work and that's why I wanted him out from the outset.
I think you are suffering from comprehension problems! There was even a post from a bloke called The Undeniable Truth which said “Can’t believe this is just down to results or performances this early in his tenure”. So presumably you thought his performance football wise didn’t warrant the sack? To see other posters’ reaction at the time you can go and read the thread.
