[NOT HAPPENING] Assombalonga

Good age, but again I don't really see him as an improvement on what we have.

If he did sign it would go further to confirming my fears that we're already preparing ourselves for spending season 2018/9 back in the Championship fml!...

 

Whoever we sign is going to be competition, not a replacement. Silva will very, very likely be playing a lone striker. I think Deeney, Okaka and Assombalonga will be more than adequate cover that one role.

 

More than adequate cover, but none of them good enough to be first choice if we hope to better last season's 17th place finish...

 

We did alright in 15/16 with Deeney.

 

You mean "with Ighalo" (stats from that season until mid-March):

Shot accuracy:
1. Harry Kane (22)- 62.5%
2. Sergio Aguero (27) – 57.6%
3. Odion Ighalo (26) – 57.5%
4. Jamie Vardy (29) – 57.0%
5. Olivier Giroud (29 – 53.0%
6. Romelu Lukaku (22) – 52.8%
7. Diego Costa (29) – 47.9%
8. Wayne Rooney (30) – 45.5%



Minutes per shot on target:
1. Sergio Aguero – 44.6
2. Harry Kane – 46.5
3. Olivier Giroud – 54.9
4. Jamie Vardy – 56.5
5. Odion Ighalo – 59.0
6. Romelu Lukaku – 63.8
7. Diego Costa – 87.8
8. Wayne Rooney – 95.3



Minutes per chance created:
1. Romelu Lukaku – 51.57
2. Wayne Rooney – 56.03
3. Jamie Vardy – 67.0
4. Odion Ighalo – 72.8
5. Harry Kane – 75.3
6. Olivier Giroud – 76.8
7. Diego Costa – 84.13
8. Sergio Aguero – 169.6



Goals plus assists:
1. Romelu Lukaku – 24
2. Jamie Vardy – 23
3.= Harry Kane, Sergio Aguero – 18
5. Odion Ighalo – 17
6.= Olivier Giroud, Diego Costa – 16
8. Wayne Rooney – 11



Percentage of team goals scored or assisted:
1. Odion Ighalo – 58.7%
2. Romelu Lukaku – 47.1%
3. Jamie Vardy – 44.2%
4. Diego Costa – 37.2%
5. Harry Kane – 35.3%
6. Olivier Giroud – 34.8%
7. Sergio Aguero – 34.6%
8. Wayne Rooney – 30.0%

http://www.football365.com/news/romelu-lukaku-the-ridiculous-statistics

 

If we're okaying with 1 striker then a striker formation is difficult to compare, granted I did it when I brought up 15/16.

We will be looking at Deeney, Success and Pererya for goals this season.

I'm hopeful of mid-table. Certainly better than last year even with the team we have at the moment.

 

Ighalo would have still scored a lot if backed up by a good AM as part of a 4-5-1, say Pereyra, instead of supported by Deeney.

If we're relying on them for goals this season then we'll be f****d - Pereyra has never scored more than 5 goals in a season, Success is young and can barely stay fit, and Deeney only managed 5 goals from open play in the previous one...

 

Okay, i guess we're ****ed then, better trade in the old season ticket.

 

It's okay, there's still a month to go until the season starts - plenty of time to also sign Grosicki for the final piece in our Championship squad puzzle!

 

Yeah I don't want Grosicki. I want Andrew Robertson from Hull, that's it.

 

If we signed Assombalonga, I think he would push his place and eventually replace him. I don't see Deeney leaving any time soon though. His stock will likely plummit when he hits 30.

 

We get it. You don't rate Troy Deeney.

 

Would be well dissapointed with Grosicki .

He looks like a bin man

 

Hasnt Britt only really had one good season though? Excuse my ignorance but there doesnt seem the hype around him since then. Didnt he get quite a serious injury?

 

One way or another we do need to improve our goalscoring options. Deeney, Pereyra, and Success will not score enough goals between them to keep us in this league.

 

Start with Deeney as our no.1 striker in August and we will not stay up. Will not score enough goals - Pereya and Success will not chip in enough.

Need a new addition upfront and worried about lack of rumours

 

When he's played he's been very good. He's had 2 good seasons in the Championship and 1 good season in league 1. Far from established, but he looks promising.

Injuries would be a huge concern though. Injuries are the main reason the hype around him cooled off. Season before last I think he played about 4 games, all off the bench and season just gone he only started about 20 and the rest were subs.

 

He's scored at a rate of a goal every other game since 2013. He missed most of 2015 through injury. Very impressive stats at Championship and League One level, if we get him it would be like signing a younger Deeney with more potential. If you look at the goals he scores they're headers, tap ins, long range goals and he anticipates where the ball will fall in the box.

I wouldn't rely on Assombalonga alone though, I think Okaka will still leave so our striker options would be Deeney, Assombalonga, Success and one other. I'd like to keep Zarate as he offers something different from those 3 but I think he'll go to Velez towards the end of the window once we've completed our shopping.

 

If 8m is the price, or thereabouts, I can't see us losing much on the deal.

 

A balanced assessment ITKJim. Asambalonga would be a great fit as a Deeney successor. The return of the prodigal son and all that aside, he has great movement and hunger. Almost singlehandedly kept a poor Forest team up. There is nothing wrong with his strike rate when fit. His strength alone will keep EPL centre backs busy. I too would luv to keep Zarate as he was just warming up before he got injured. We need a 10 or false 9 to give Marco options. If Okaka goes we will need yet one more - fast tricky but we are not being linked we so many strikers, which is worrying. Would have loved Simeone. What about a cheeky bid for one of the Muffin strikers made redundant by Defoe? Ah well. coyhs!

 

Very rated at forest looks like he's built a lot knows where the back of the net is! Could be a good signing

 

Doesn't matter what the weather, always wearing shorts.

 

Personally think Grosicki is a great player, scored some absolute screamers over the past few seasons and has plenty of international experience. Only had half a season in the prem so far, would like to see him in a WFC shirt.

Also would much prefer Simeone over Assombolonga!

 

I find the lack of faith in Deeney remarkable. He is quality striker. He smashed it in the championship, granted it was the championship, and has looked comfortable in the premier league. Has he been at his best the last two seasons? No. He really looks fit after this summer, which I think will make a big difference. If he's been told "you're going to playing by yourself next year, so get fit and get fast", it looks like he's done that. I'm not saying he's going to set the world alight but I can see him hitting 15 goals this seasons.

Also, when you have a single man up top, I wouldn't want ALL the goals to come from him. I want to see our midfielders get on the scoresheet so if he does get injured then we're not flapping because no one thinks Assombalonga is upto it.

Call me crazy but I think Deeney will have a great season, he looks fit and i think Silva will get the best out of him. And I was knocking him all last season.

 

For some perspective. West Brom finished 10th. Their top scorer was Rondon with 8 goals.

 

West Ham 11th - Top scorer Antonio 9 goals.
Southampton 8th - Top scorer Redmond 7 goals.
Stoke 13th - Top scorer Crouch 7 goals.
Leicester 12th - Top scorer Vary 13 goals.

Watford 17th - Top scorer Deeney 10 goals.

The biggest let down for us is that we weren't scoring enough goals from elsewhere in the team. We were relying on Deeney's goals. Every other team had scorers from midfield and defence.

 

Try it again but remove the penalties. Taking them with the confidence and reliability he does is a valuable asset but you can't bank on getting them.

We also shared goals around the whole squad last season much more than 15/16.

 

Take penalties away from that though - Redmond, Vardy, Crouch and Antonio don't take their team's penalties, unlike Deeney. Southampton also signed Gabbiadini halfway through the season who performed better than Deeney, and Austin also scored 1 in 2 for them (when fit). Other than Crouch I'd say those players would also likely create more opportunities for other players.

Here are some other comparisons:
Swansea 15th - Llorente - 15 goals open play
Sunderland 20th - Defoe - 9 goals open play
Palace 14th - Benteke - 8 from open play
Bournemouth 12th - King - 8 from open play

Capoue actually scored more goals from open play than Deeney last season - 7 versus Deeney's 5 - which really just underlines to me that we should be aiming for better than him and that your concluding sentences are gubbins.

 

Take away the fact that Redmond and Antonio aren't strikers. Which is part of my point. We should be looking for more goals from across the team. It wasn't just Deeny that underperformed last season. Everyone did.

And the point is, he UNDERperformed. He hasn't been at his best. Our style of play has not been good. We've been playing negative football under Mazzarri.

We can't be expecting to score as many goals as the teams that finished above us when our midfield is made up of Ben Watson, Berahmi and Capoue. They aren't goalscoring midfielders.

Capoue had a good couple of months. Then that was it.

Also you linked Ighalo from last season, helped Deeney to his job. This season he didn't, and we didn't replace him with a striker who could help him. If you don't feed your striker then he's not going to score. You had Amrabat on one wing who has no end product, Pererya was injured, Zarate never got going and Success never played. Those are our supposed creative players.

We were woeful last season and the table and goals scored reflects that.

I think blaming Deeney is a cop-out when he's one of our best players. Even if he underperformed last season. Possibly fitness, possibly tactics, possibly a ****** manager.

 

And people acting like Giovanni Simeone is our lord and saviour. He's had one half-decent season scoring 12 goals in Serie A. It's a bit different from the PL and he could flop big time. We don't know what we're getting with Simeone. We know how to play to Deeney's strengths, granted we have done that last season and he's been fat and underperformed.

We should sign Simeone, but the idea he's going to be our powerhouse and take us into Europe is laughable.

 

Simeone playing as a false-nine / #10 behind Deeney with Pererya and Success on the wings?

**** yeah.

 

Am I your binman?

 

Well said

 

Pereyra is the number 10! Ffs the man is not a winger.